At this point barring a trade up or a terrible trade up, these are the 3

[MightyGiants]

At this point, it appears Ward has separated from Sanders and is the clear number one QB.  Graham is likely to sink due to a terrible body which will likely ding him this spring despite the good tape.

So, the Giants are likely to draft one of these three:

Edge Abdul Carter
CB/WR Travis Hunter
QB Cam Ward

Those appear to be the top three in terms of value and positional value.

[Philosophers]

At this point, it appears Ward has separated from Sanders and is the clear number one QB.  Graham is likely to sink due to a terrible body which will likely ding him this spring despite the good tape.

So, the Giants are likely to draft one of these three:

Edge Abdul Carter
CB/WR Travis Hunter
QB Cam Ward

Those appear to be the top three in terms of value and positional value.

Rich - what do you mean by terrible body?

[MightyGiants]

Rich - what do you mean by terrible body?

I have heard this from multiple sources, here is one of them:


For the NFL, Graham needs to improve his body and his conditioning. One team source who has scouted Graham in person said that Graham looks like "the marshmallow man." Thus, Graham has to improve his body with improved strength and weight distribution. The bad body is going to be more problematic in the NFL that will have a negative impact on his playing time and conditioning. Team sources say that Graham is not a great worker, so he is going to need to develop a better work ethic for the NFL.

https://walterfootball.com/scoutingreports2025mgraham.php

[MrGap92]

Not surprising, these were concerns I had of him as well. I think Graham is a bit overrated based on college stats and tape, how he and his game translates to the NFL level I don't feel has been considered enough.

I do think he can become an impact player in the pros, I just do not think he is a day 1 plug and play like many seem to believe. He is going to need time, should he ever reach his potential.

[MightyGiants]

Not surprising, these were concerns I had of him as well. I think Graham is a bit overrated based on college stats and tape, how he and his game translates to the NFL level I don't feel has been considered enough.

When scouting college DTs, I am mindful that they are often bigger and more athletic than the college O-linemen, and that's enough to be successful. That's why I look for things like drive, work ethic, and technique

[Philosophers]

Pure misinformation.  Must have been scouting Reverend Billy Graham.  Expect Graham to score high on agility drills at Combine.  He is very strong.

Guys who play through the whistle and are relentless and strong are never soft.  That's for lazy players.

I agree though that Giants are likely to select from Ward, Hunter and Carter.

[MightyGiants]

Pure misinformation.  Must have been scouting Reverend Billy Graham.  Expect Graham to score high on agility drills at Combine.  He is very strong.

Guys who play through the whistle and are relentless and strong are never soft.  That's for lazy players.

I agree though that Giants are likely to select from Ward, Hunter and Carter.

Maybe but I also heard the same thing from Daniel Jeremiah and either (I forget which) Tony Pauline or Todd McShay

[Painter]

If I thought that there was any real chance that our Giants would Draft Graham, I might be concerned by the reported negative commentary re his conditioning despite the fact that he is listed/ranked among the top 5 in the so called, Big Boards of those same analyst/commentators. But as I don't, I am not.

Cheers!

[WheresDayne]

One team source who has scouted Graham in person said that Graham looks like "the marshmallow man."

All we need is some chocolate and we can root for S'more   

[Doc16LT56]

Not surprising, these were concerns I had of him as well. I think Graham is a bit overrated based on college stats and tape, how he and his game translates to the NFL level I don't feel has been considered enough.

I do think he can become an impact player in the pros, I just do not think he is a day 1 plug and play like many seem to believe. He is going to need time, should he ever reach his potential.

Interesting. I thought I noticed a bit of a muffin top with Graham. That's not a deal breaker in and of itself, Warren Sapp had a similar look. But definitely a cause for concern when talking about drafting a player in the top-5. I'm higher on Graham than you at this point, but I think there's a clear separation between Hunter/Carter and Graham. For me, Graham only comes into play in the event of a trade down scenario.

[Doc16LT56]

When scouting college DTs, I am mindful that they are often bigger and more athletic than the college O-linemen, and that's enough to be successful. That's why I look for things like drive, work ethic, and technique

This is a great point. I think it's in part a result of the more talented two-way linemen in high school being directed to defense only in college. So you're right, they have a natural physical advantage in college that doesn't carry over to the pros.

[Philosophers]

Pure stupidity.  What do people think a a 6'3" 320 pound player looks like?  A 255 pound Edge?

[gregf]

Pure stupidity.  What do people think a a 6'3" 320 pound player looks like?  A 255 pound Edge?

Just the opposite, Evan Neal looks very impressive for a man his size.  Yet the results on the field....

[Philosophers]

Just the opposite, Evan Neal looks very impressive for a man his size.  Yet the results on the field....

Yes the results on the field.  Graham dominated.  Why did Michigan beat Ohio State yet Oregon, Texas and Notre Dame could not?  They could not stop Judkins and Henderson from running up the middle on their defenses so it opened up the passing for Ohio State.  Against Michigan the RBs did nothing as Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant walled up the interior of the line of scrimmage.  Once Ohio State became one dimensional Michigan could play cover 2 and man cover on Jeremiah Smith with Will Johnson and he was taken out of the game.  That's how they won.


Imagine a Giants D that can do that.

[Philosophers]

The Combine is probably the thing that causes the biggest rises/falls.  I would expect to see the same.  Someone will go lights out or disappoint in agility drills.

These 3 may be the option but dint think it is set yet.