Mara gets sensitive and defensive when asked about Tim McDonell

[Painter]

If only you guys would spend just a fraction less of the time you do criticizing and faulting-finding just about everyone and everything, which apparently is a source of satisfaction or why would you bother to come here, it might make BBH a little less dismal and discouraging. But, perhaps. that is already a lost cause. I sure hope not.

Cheers!

[MightyGiants]

If only you guys would spend just a fraction less of the time you do criticizing and faulting-finding just about everyone and everything, which apparently is a source of satisfaction or why would you bother to come here, it might make BBH a little less dismal and discouraging. But, perhaps. that is already a lost cause. I sure hope not.

Cheers!

The irony is that Larry is guilty of fault-finding himself.  Only instead of directing his fault-finding at those who deserve it (the ones with power that drove the franchise into the ground), he directs it at the toughest fans in the sports, the ones that still are active fans of the NY Giants. 

As for making things less dreary, constantly whining and carping about how we are not pollyannish enough for your liking simply isn't making things better.

[katkavage]

Oh if only the Giants would do something right to give us optimism. But it's not happening and won't until there is a major shake up in the organization. Or if they get extremely lucky and land an elite QB like Jayden Daniels. Good luck with that.

[MightyGiants]

Oh if only the Giants would do something right to give us optimism. But it's not happening and won't until there is a major shake up in the organization. Or if they get extremely lucky and land an elite QB like Jayden Daniels. Good luck with that.

Until fans start generating the sort of outrage they had over Eli Manning being benched, Mara and Tisch will happily screw us over all the way to the bank

[MightyGiants]

I think the tweet is quite misleading. Mara doesn't scream and I don't think he's overly defensive - he just answered a question, he's seemingly tired about.

I think @DaveBrown74 asks a fabulous follow up though.

I would agree, the Tweet was a bit hyperbolic, especially in terms of screaming.  I would accept that John Mara got defensive with the question, although I appreciate that is open to individual interpretation.

[kartanoman]

I would agree, the Tweet was a bit hyperbolic, especially in terms of screaming.  I would accept that John Mara got defensive with the question, although I appreciate that is open to individual interpretation.

Maybe Big John sees some correlation between Tim and his team's #4 ranking on the NFL's Richest Teams List. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, right?

 

Peace!

[Rosehill Jimmy]

John Mara publicly questioned if the talent level of the team now is any better than when Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll took over.  Tim has been director of player personnel for the past 4 years.  I could find nothing on what degree Tim earned at Holy Cross (so his academics are weak).  I also asked Chat what a director of player personnel does:

An NFL Director of Player Personnel plays a crucial role in shaping a team's roster by evaluating talent, managing scouting efforts, and assisting with overall roster decisions. Their responsibilities typically include:
Key Duties:

• Talent Evaluation
  
  • Assess college and professional players to determine their potential fit with the team.
  • Work closely with scouts to analyze player strengths, weaknesses, and potential contributions.
• Scouting & Draft Preparation
  
  • Oversee the scouting department, ensuring thorough evaluations of college prospects and free agents.
  • Help create the team's draft board and provide input on player rankings.
• Free Agency & Trade Analysis
  
  • Evaluate available free agents and trade prospects to improve the team.
  • Work with the general manager (GM) and coaching staff to identify roster needs.
• Team Roster Management
  
  • Assist in shaping the 53-man roster and practice squad.
  • Monitor player performance and suggest roster moves or practice squad additions.
• Contract & Salary Cap Considerations
  
  • Collaborate with the GM and salary cap specialists to ensure acquisitions align with the team's financial strategy.
• Collaboration with Coaches & Front Office
  
  • Work closely with head coaches and position coaches to understand team needs.
  • Provide insights on player fit within the team's scheme.

Reporting Structure

• Typically reports to the General Manager.
• Works alongside Director of College Scouting and Director of Pro Personnel.

In short, they act as a key decision-maker in player acquisitions, focusing on scouting, team needs, and roster management to help the franchise succeed.


Seems like Tim played a major role in this team's complete lack of talent.  He was the assistant director for a few years before becoming director.

Please elaborate on what you mean by "...earned his degree from Holy Cross so his academics are weak".  The Cross is one of the better academic institutions in the country so I'm puzzled by your comment ( and no, it's not my Alma Mater  )

[MightyGiants]

Carl Banks reposted this.  I don't think he read past Mara was right 

https://x.com/giantsrealist/status/1892940998239490261?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

[Ed Vette]

Like it or not, John is 70 years old. In 20 years this organization will still be in the families of Mara-Tisch. I don't think Kate's going to be looking to be President and CEO.

[coggs]

If only he was as passionate about winning as he is about defending his nepotism

https://x.com/Giantsnation122/status/1892939020490920326

Problem isn't meddling.  The problem is people like him, Chris Mara and whoever else is related has a seat at the table for football matters and they cant be fired.

[Painter]

Until fans do what? Generate outrage? Never quite thought of it that way. Okay, so I have mistaken it all and why you see no reason to stop sniveling, wipe your noses and begin acting as adults. My bad!  At least, I now better understand that where BBH is concerned dining on whining has worth as a principal activity even as a one-way street in that regard. Okay then, point made. It is pretty much a hopeless situation.

Cheers!

[MightyGiants]

Please elaborate on what you mean by "...earned his degree from Holy Cross so his academics are weak".  The Cross is one of the better academic institutions in the country so I'm puzzled by your comment ( and no, it's not my Alma Mater  )

I am not knocking the institution, I am knocking whatever irrelevant degree Tim has.   The reality is while there isn't a degree in GM management, there are degrees that can bring relevant knowledge to the position and should be required. 

Degrees in majors requiring heavy math can be useful to help them understand the salary cap and analytics.

Degrees in physiology could be helpful to help with scouting players

Degrees in law are helpful for contracts and NFL rules

An MBA is good for the management aspect

In this day and age a team should be looking for people with masters from elite colleges with degrees one of the areas I listed.

[kartanoman]

I am not knocking the institution, I am knocking whatever irrelevant degree Tim has.  The reality is while there isn't a degree in GM management, there are degrees that can bring relevant knowledge to the position and should be required. 

Degrees in majors requiring heavy math can be useful to help them understand the salary cap and analytics.

Degrees in physiology could be helpful to help with scouting players

Degrees in law are helpful for contracts and NFL rules

An MBA is good for the management aspect

In this day and age a team should be looking for people with masters from elite colleges with degrees one of the areas I listed.

Interesting perspective, Rich @MightyGiants .

Consider an alternate perspective.

Would you hire someone with "a" graduate degree from a "prestigious" university, with a degree in one of the majors you have mentioned above?

Or, would you consider a candidate who graduated from "good to very good" colleges and universities, with broader reaching degrees (e.g. Civil, Mechanical, Electrical, Manufacturing, Industrial or, the broadest and possibly most relevant of all, Systems Engineering). Consider their specialization tracks or perhaps other "practical experience initiatives" (e.g. CO-OP, internships, previous related job experience)? Have they served in the military? What job history and other skill sets do they bring to the table with them?

In other words, do you want a professional student to groom to meet your needs or would you like a broadly experienced professional who has demonstrated multiple capabilities across different job roles, is a Veteran and whose track record demonstrates a person dedicated to accomplishing their mission without being hesitant to get out of their comfort zone.

Before you answer, I just used "Engineering" in a generic sense. Engineers must work and play in the business world as well and we even have our own "Engineering Management" curriculum available at select universities nationwide. We come out of those programs every bit as competent as any MBA producing university, if not, better because we look to optimize the design and capability of our products and services over the entire lifecycle; not just maximize profits for the shareholders. We (i.e. Engineers) have always had great disdain for the "bean counters" whom we must fight, tooth and nail, in order to deliver a product/service that "feasibly" meets the requirements and specs of the customers' needs. Such is the balance of managing a project or program's technical, cost, quality and schedule constraints.

Being able to successfully manage a project, program or organization is only as good as the mission statement and objectives.

This goes for managing a football organization every bit as much a Fortune 500 company.

Peace!

[Section 101 Steve]

We can bitch all we want, it changes nothing. All we can do is to stay positive and to hope that the situation, that is the team, improves in the future either through design, good luck, or combination thereof of.

Cheers!

Paintman, even the blind squirrel would have found the nut by now!

[MightyGiants]

Interesting perspective, Rich @MightyGiants .

Consider an alternate perspective.

Would you hire someone with "a" graduate degree from a "prestigious" university, with a degree in one of the majors you have mentioned above?

Or, would you consider a candidate who graduated from "good to very good" colleges and universities, with broader reaching degrees (e.g. Civil, Mechanical, Electrical, Manufacturing, Industrial or, the broadest and possibly most relevant of all, Systems Engineering). Consider their specialization tracks or perhaps other "practical experience initiatives" (e.g. CO-OP, internships, previous related job experience)? Have they served in the military? What job history and other skill sets do they bring to the table with them?

In other words, do you want a professional student to groom to meet your needs or would you like a broadly experienced professional who has demonstrated multiple capabilities across different job roles, is a Veteran and whose track record demonstrates a person dedicated to accomplishing their mission without being hesitant to get out of their comfort zone.

Before you answer, I just used "Engineering" in a generic sense. Engineers must work and play in the business world as well and we even have our own "Engineering Management" curriculum available at select universities nationwide. We come out of those programs every bit as competent as any MBA producing university, if not, better because we look to optimize the design and capability of our products and services over the entire lifecycle; not just maximize profits for the shareholders. We (i.e. Engineers) have always had great disdain for the "bean counters" whom we must fight, tooth and nail, in order to deliver a product/service that "feasibly" meets the requirements and specs of the customers' needs. Such is the balance of managing a project or program's technical, cost, quality and schedule constraints.

Being able to successfully manage a project, program or organization is only as good as the mission statement and objectives.

This goes for managing a football organization every bit as much a Fortune 500 company.

Peace!

Chris,

While I think there is some value in what they learn in school, to me, the bigger thing is that school acts as a way to measure a person's intelligence and work ethic.   I think that for a team to be successful, they should be hiring the best and the brightest.