Deal in place for #1 overall and Harold Landry

[Bob In PA]

Why would they move up to take Ward when they passed on JJ McCarthy and Bo Nix last year who were better QBs.

I think they want Carter if they make that move, maybe Hunter.

Ed: I'm going to stop posting if you don't refrain from stealing all of my thoughts. lol 

All I've got left to add is that IMO (assuming the rumor is true) the move up would be for Carter.

I think Hunter will still be there at pick three, and they probably only see him as a CB (where, IMO, he is absolutely brilliant).

Bob

[T200]

Ed: I'm going to stop posting if you don't refrain from stealing all of my thoughts. lol 

All I've got left to add is that IMO (assuming the rumor is true) the move up would be for Carter.

I think Hunter will still be there at pick three, and they probably only see him as a CB (where, IMO, he is absolutely brilliant).

Bob

Just report him, Bob.   

[katkavage]

Ed: I'm going to stop posting if you don't refrain from stealing all of my thoughts. lol 

All I've got left to add is that IMO the move up is for Carter.

I think Hunter will still be there at pick three, and they probably only see him as a CB.

Bob

I don't believe the rumor but they have been given an ultimatum by the owner to find a QB and win next year. They are not trading up for Hunter or Carter. And that they passed on JJ, Nix, and Penix last year put them in this position this year. Shows how wrong they were about the future of the team and their own futures.

[Philosophers]

Here is where an owner has to look out for the long term interest of the team.  If Carter is say the better player than Ward, but Ward has only chance to save JS/BD jobs, he cant let them pick Ward just to save potentially their jobs.

[spiderblue43]

Trade up? Hell no  Not for those two Titans want the best player..Browns should do the same..then those two sitting there at 3...let's talk

[Ed Vette]

Ed: I'm going to stop posting if you don't refrain from stealing all of my thoughts. lol 

All I've got left to add is that IMO (assuming the rumor is true) the move up would be for Carter.

I think Hunter will still be there at pick three, and they probably only see him as a CB (where, IMO, he is absolutely brilliant).

Bob

I have a friend who was a Coach and is now an executive for a College team that knows these three QB's well. In fact, his team played against Ward last season. He likes Dart over Ward and Sanders. My friend was a quarterback coach in the NFL and was considered a QB Guru. I put a lot of weight in what he says. I don't see trading up to one for any of these three QBs. Quite frankly, I agree with whoever said it will cost much more than a couple of 4ths to move up. I see them signing a veteran mentor and drafting but not over reaching for a QB.

[uconnjack8]

Overall, I think its a BS rumor.  Trading up and getting Landry in the trade and then drafting Carter while already having Burns and Thibs and the worst offense in the NFL for the last two years, doesn't make much sense to me. 

If they do love Ward and think he will be gone and want to trade up for him, I don't see two 3rd rounders as a big price. 

On a side note, I heard a former NFL player on the radio say that the scouts he has talked to have none of the QBs with a 1st round grade. 

[spiderblue43]

Overall, I think its a BS rumor.  Trading up and getting Landry in the trade and then drafting Carter while already having Burns and Thibs and the worst offense in the NFL for the last two years, doesn't make much sense to me. 

If they do love Ward and think he will be gone and want to trade up for him, I don't see two 3rd rounders as a big price. 

On a side note, I heard a former NFL player on the radio say that the scouts he has talked to have none of the QBs with a 1st round grade. 

UConn

That's really my thought..totally overvalued the two...it's a draft full of QB projects..not starters

[Philosophers]

Overall, I think its a BS rumor.  Trading up and getting Landry in the trade and then drafting Carter while already having Burns and Thibs and the worst offense in the NFL for the last two years, doesn't make much sense to me. 

If they do love Ward and think he will be gone and want to trade up for him, I don't see two 3rd rounders as a big price. 

On a side note, I heard a former NFL player on the radio say that the scouts he has talked to have none of the QBs with a 1st round grade. 

Thank you.  How many edge rushers does this team need?  Has Ojulari, Burns and Thibs.  Does it need a 4th in Carter or a 4th and 5th in Carter and Landry?  No way.  If we take Carter he better be LT 2.0 then we trade Ojulari, Thibs or Burns for draft capital.

[londonblue]

Ojulari is a free agent. We won't be keeping him.

[Philosophers]

Ojulari is a free agent. We won't be keeping him.

Thanks.  Forgot that.

[Bob In PA]

I have a friend who was a Coach and is now an executive for a College team that knows these three QB's well. In fact, his team played against Ward last season. He likes Dart over Ward and Sanders. My friend was a quarterback coach in the NFL and was considered a QB Guru. I put a lot of weight in what he says. I don't see trading up to one for any of these three QBs. Quite frankly, I agree with whoever said it will cost much more than a couple of 4ths to move up. I see them signing a veteran mentor and drafting but not over reaching for a QB.

Ed: I'll only ask this about one guy - at what level do you see Dart going?

To be fair, I'll tell you my answer so I can't again accuse you of theft. lol

IMO our best hope - trade up from their 2nd pick if Dart lasts til the bottom third of the first round.

Bob

[Bob In PA]

Trading up and getting Landry in the trade and then drafting Carter while already having Burns and Thibs and the worst offense in the NFL for the last two years, doesn't make much sense to me. 

uconn: Does this help? What actually won the Super Bowl for the Eagles? (hint: not Barkley or Hurts). Bob

[Philosophers]

uconn: Does this help? What actually won the Super Bowl for the Eagles? (hint: not Barkley or Hurts). Bob

Hi Bob - I here you that you believe the Philly D won the Super Bowl and believe you are probably right but they only won it because Jalen Hurts is at least a B+ QB, Saquon is at least an A running back, their OL is at least an A-, etc., etc.

If the Giants produce an A defensive line but have an F QB, a D OL, a B RB and a B WR corps (Nabers is an A but rest are B), then no matter if Carter gets 22 sacks, the Giants will not be in the playoffs.

I subscribe to the weakest link theory.  A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.  Improving our QB play from an F to a B will do more to produce wins than taking a B- DL and turning it into a B+/A- DL

[Bob In PA]

Hi Bob - I here you that you believe the Philly D won the Super Bowl and believe you are probably right but they only won it because Jalen Hurts is at least a B+ QB, Saquon is at least an A running back, their OL is at least an A-, etc., etc.

If the Giants produce an A defensive line but have an F QB, a D OL, a B RB and a B WR corps (Nabers is an A but rest are B), then no matter if Carter gets 22 sacks, the Giants will not be in the playoffs.

I subscribe to the weakest link theory.  A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.  Improving our QB play from an F to a B will do more to produce wins than taking a B- DL and turning it into a B+/A- DL

uconn: All true, but when your roster is a disaster, you've gotta start somewhere.

Maybe the Giants believe (viewing the specific strengths and weaknesses of free agency and the draft this year) that pass rush (DL/EDGE/LB) is the way to go. Or maybe they know something about their QB/OL/TE situation that we don't.

Either way, if the rumor is true (IMO unlikely) then you CAN make some sense out of it, although I will repeat that I agree completely with everything you wrote.

Bob