Slayton is back

[DaveBrown74]

I was referring to the many voices, here and elsewhere, who have been clamoring for more playing time for Hyatt and hoped they would let Slayton go to clear the way.  I'm saying there must be a reason the Giants aren't ready to hand him that role yet.  And $12M for Slayton is about market value in 2025.  I'm OK with it. 

Fair enough.

I'd say it's do or die time for him this year. Receivers don't take three years to show something in the NFL. Kadarius Toney showed "flashes of brilliance" as a rookie too. Being a good NFL player is about being consistently productive.

[TDToomer]

Who the hell are we bidding against? Ourselves? What a terrible deal.

[Jclayton92]

No point in overreacting yet. We don't know what the guaranteed money looks like, so for all we know we are paying him like 4 million a year or something in base salary and the rest be incentives. Slayton was always good for 7-800 yards with DJ and backups, so just projecting that means he could do a 1,000 with a good passer regularly and depending on the guarentee we could have a cheap 1000 yard wr. I'm not a huge fan of Slayton, but you can't really react to any of these contracts until you see the guarantees. It looks like so far that we got our really big piece in Adebo, and signed some really solid depth, again we don't know their guarantees so they are probably really cheap as well. We are likely waiting on the Qb domino to fall before diving in the 2nd tier of FA for a RG, and other pieces.

Wr contracts so far:

Khalil Shakir 4yr 60 million 821 yards 4tds
Chris Godwin 3yr 66 million 576 yards 5tds
Hollywood brown 1yr 11 million 91 yards 0Tds
Devante Adams 2yr 46 million 854 7tds
Darius Slayton 3yr 36 million 573 yards 2tds on 39 receptions


Slayton never got thrown to really last season, but if you look at his normal production year to year even with bad qb play you can see we got a deal before the guarantees come out. Hollywood brown had 91 yards last year and still got 11 million, Godwin almost had the same stats as Slayton and got 30 million more.

[kartanoman]

Feel like this move will look good if they can get some consistency throwing the ball downfield. 

15 yards/reception for his career catching passes from the likes of Glennon, DeVito, Taylor and Lock with  an OL that has multiple turnstiles is actually pretty impressive. 

Haven't seen the contract details yet.

Context.

Very well put.

Also a long-standing Giant which ticks the leadership box.

$12M annually is not bad at all for a Veteran with six seasons under his belt with the QBs he's played with.

As a senior player on the team, and someone who is a team leader, I don't have an issue with his contract. He's still in his prime and, IF the Giants improve the QB AND the O-Line, imagine the possibilities with Slayton in a more open offense.

Peace!

[Trench]

What do you mean "that we don't see"? What exactly is there to "see" with Hyatt? The guy has done next to nothing in two years.

And if it's because Jones sucked and Hyatt is actually a good player and would do well with a better QB, then by that logic Slayton was actually good value at $12m per.

In year one, I remember we were mostly all saying wow as Hyatt was creating separation all the time and made plays. Then he went to the doghouse.

I blame the beat writers. They never once out Daboll or a Schoen on the spot as to what this guy did or didn't do to deserve lack of opportunity

[Ed Vette]

In hear one, I remember we were mostly all saying wow as Hyatt was creating separation all the time and made plays. Then he went to the doghouse.

I blame the beat writers. They never once out Daboll or a Schoen on the spot as to what this guy did or didn't do to deserve lack of opportunity

If you watch film on Hyatt, it's a number of issues. He's inconsistent in his routes. He also has been used as a clear out to open space. DJ didn't trust him, and he's often been the third or fourth reads that the QB never got to. Dog House? Possibly that too. The better CBs in the league don't fall for his studder step act.  Add in the Nabors factor who commanded the majority of targets and you get the Jalin Hyatt picture.

[Doc16LT56]

No point in overreacting yet. We don't know what the guaranteed money looks like, so for all we know we are paying him like 4 million a year or something in base salary and the rest be incentives. Slayton was always good for 7-800 yards with DJ and backups, so just projecting that means he could do a 1,000 with a good passer regularly and depending on the guarentee we could have a cheap 1000 yard wr. I'm not a huge fan of Slayton, but you can't really react to any of these contracts until you see the guarantees. It looks like so far that we got our really big piece in Adebo, and signed some really solid depth, again we don't know their guarantees so they are probably really cheap as well. We are likely waiting on the Qb domino to fall before diving in the 2nd tier of FA for a RG, and other pieces.

Wr contracts so far:

Khalil Shakir 4yr 60 million 821 yards 4tds
Chris Godwin 3yr 66 million 576 yards 5tds
Hollywood brown 1yr 11 million 91 yards 0Tds
Devante Adams 2yr 46 million 854 7tds
Darius Slayton 3yr 36 million 573 yards 2tds on 39 receptions


Slayton never got thrown to really last season, but if you look at his normal production year to year even with bad qb play you can see we got a deal before the guarantees come out. Hollywood brown had 91 yards last year and still got 11 million, Godwin almost had the same stats as Slayton and got 30 million more.

Some of these stats are misleading. Godwin played 7 games, so his production is not comparable to Slayton. Adams broke 1,000 yards after missing a few games and getting traded. Hollywood barely played at all last season. Shakir is being paid based on Buffalo's belief that he's an ascending player. As for the others, I don't agree with giving big money to older and injury prone players, but most of those guys have much more talent than Slayton who is just more of the same for the Giants.

[Doc16LT56]

PFF rank out of 98 WR:

Chris Godwin 10th
Khalil Shakir 28th
Davante Adams 30th
Darius Slayton 91st

[allieshermanghost]

Great, so now we start talking about him getting moved at the trade deadline! SMFH!

[Trench]

If you watch film on Hyatt, it's a number of issues. He's inconsistent in his routes. He also has been used as a clear out to open space. DJ didn't trust him, and he's often been the third or fourth reads that the QB never got to. Dog House? Possibly that too. The better CBs in the league don't fall for his studder step act.  Add in the Nabors factor who commanded the majority of targets and you get the Jalin Hyatt picture.

I can appreciate that reasoning if it's their feeling - especially the studder step stuff.

Two questions I would have for them:
1. What about WanDale routes?...they can't be considered that good when it appears to my naked eye he is 90% short of the marker

2. In regards to the studder step which i never thought of before, the guy does always seem to have a step or two on the defense (albeit almost every opportunity this year resulted in an uncatchable ball out of bounds in the deep route

[EDjohnst1981]

Great, so now we start talking about him getting moved at the trade deadline! SMFH!

Teams could have signed him for free yesterday, they didn't. You won't find teams giving up pieces for him.

[Ed Vette]

I can appreciate that reasoning if it's their feeling - especially the studder step stuff.

Two questions I would have for them:
1. What about WanDale routes?...they can't be considered that good when it appears to my naked eye he is 90% short of the marker

2. In regards to the studder step which i never thought of before, the guy does always seem to have a step or two on the defense (albeit almost every opportunity this year resulted in an uncatchable ball out of bounds in the deep route

There were times he was wide open and the ball never went his way because he wasn't one of the first 2 reads. Then there were times that he never broke containment or he was washed out at the sidelines because of his initial break. Look at how fluid Nabors is in his cuts and compare them to Hyatt, and there is a big difference on some plays. He's inconsistent. It's very disappointing. His speed at this level is not going to get it done. I'm afraid he's trade bait now or he's the 4th option. WDR is the Slot/Possession Receiver and yes, those short routes are frustrating but in some cases you take what you get, and try to extend for the first down.

[TDToomer]

Great, so now we start talking about him getting moved at the trade deadline! SMFH!

Not with this contract. Even if he just matches his 2024 stats no one will take on that contract.

[Bob In PA]

The Giants - loyal to a fault... except for Saquon Barkley. Nice job. Bob

[Jclayton92]

Some of these stats are misleading. Godwin played 7 games, so his production is not comparable to Slayton. Adams broke 1,000 yards after missing a few games and getting traded. Hollywood barely played at all last season. Shakir is being paid based on Buffalo's belief that he's an ascending player. As for the others, I don't agree with giving big money to older and injury prone players, but most of those guys have much more talent than Slayton who is just more of the same for the Giants.

No they are not misleading, I put their contract amount and their production for the year, it couldn't be more straightforward than that. I like to assume people here aren't idiots, so if they see Hollywood brown only had 91 yards last season then they probably know he didn't play that much without me having to spell it out for them.