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Update on the Vikings QB plans (out on Rodgers)

Started by MightyGiants, March 19, 2025, 08:08:14 AM

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Quote from: kingm56 on March 20, 2025, 07:06:04 PMIf the Giants "very much wanted Stafford", he would be wearing blue.

I don't understand how such claims can be made.   To make such a claim ignores the harsh reality that the Giants are not a desirable destination, especially for an aging QB.

High taxes and cost of living
Cold, windy, and frequently wet playing conditions
Poor protection
Unstable HC and GM situation
3rd worst team in the NFL

Just take the Stafford situation.   He was fine using the Giants for financial leverage, but you need to figure out why he would leave a stable team in sunny LA that just was in the playoffs, with a great coach to come play for the Giants.
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Philosophers

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 21, 2025, 07:59:10 AMI don't understand how such claims can be made.   To make such a claim ignores the harsh reality that the Giants are not a desirable destination, especially for an aging QB.

High taxes and cost of living
Cold, windy, and frequently wet playing conditions
Poor protection
Unstable HC and GM situation
3rd worst team in the NFL

Just take the Stafford situation.   He was fine using the Giants for financial leverage, but you need to figure out why he would leave a stable team in sunny LA that just was in the playoffs, with a great coach to come play for the Giants.

You simply cannot underestimate how much a GM/HC on the hot seat has on a veteran looking at his options.  He is at the point in his career where he has options and something like this, he would really consider.  It might be one thing if he is from NJ and wants to settle down here post playing career, but that is not the case.

killarich

How is this even a conversation it is literally a FACT that the Giants are willing to spend the money on a QB .... Joe is not being conscious of the cap .... he missed out on Stafford and he most likely WANTS to pay Rodgers ... but Rodgers is making everyone wait ... the fact that we haven't signed anyone yet does not prove that he is not pressed for a QB it actually proves that he wants to pay for the best one out there .... if he doesn't want Rodgers that bad ... Wilson, Flacco or Winston would be our QB1 right now

Its not even a debate lol .. its pure facts at this point

MightyGiants

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Quote from: killarich on March 21, 2025, 09:00:29 AMHow is this even a conversation it is literally a FACT that the Giants are willing to spend the money on a QB .... Joe is not being conscious of the cap .... he missed out on Stafford and he most likely WANTS to pay Rodgers ... but Rodgers is making everyone wait ... the fact that we haven't signed anyone yet does not prove that he is not pressed for a QB it actually proves that he wants to pay for the best one out there .... if he doesn't want Rodgers that bad ... Wilson, Flacco or Winston would be our QB1 right now

Its not even a debate lol .. its pure facts at this point

Listening to the insiders, it doesn't even sound like the Giants (who are reported to have a standing offer to Rodgers) are in the running.   It makes sense, Rodgers (at age 41) is looking to go out on a higher note than his final two seasons with the Jets.  The Giants don't offer much of a chance to improve on how things went for Rodgers with the Jets.   Only the Vikings and maybe the Steelers offer up much hope of Rodgers ending his career on a higher note.
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Ed Vette

Quote from: killarich on March 21, 2025, 09:00:29 AMHow is this even a conversation it is literally a FACT that the Giants are willing to spend the money on a QB .... Joe is not being conscious of the cap .... he missed out on Stafford and he most likely WANTS to pay Rodgers ... but Rodgers is making everyone wait ... the fact that we haven't signed anyone yet does not prove that he is not pressed for a QB it actually proves that he wants to pay for the best one out there .... if he doesn't want Rodgers that bad ... Wilson, Flacco or Winston would be our QB1 right now

Its not even a debate lol .. its pure facts at this point
I think Rodgers is playing the Giants just like Stafford did. If not Minnesota, its Pittsburgh for him. He would be nuts to end his career here.
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~ Coach Tom Coughlin

Gmo11

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 21, 2025, 09:06:19 AMI think Rodgers is playing the Giants just like Stafford did. If not Minnesota, its Pittsburgh for him. He would be nuts to end his career here.

Yea but he actually is nuts so anything is possible.  Which is why this whole situation is pissing me off.  There's no discernible reason why the Giants should even be sniffing around that idiot let alone waiting for him to choose his next destination like he's the damn bachelor.  The Jets (JETS!!) could not wait to be rid of him.  But the Giants are willing to wait this out.  It is idiotic.

MightyGiants

Quote from: Gmo11 on March 21, 2025, 09:08:55 AMYea but he actually is nuts so anything is possible.  Which is why this whole situation is pissing me off.  There's no discernible reason why the Giants should even be sniffing around that idiot let alone waiting for him to choose his next destination like he's the damn bachelor.  The Jets (JETS!!) could not wait to be rid of him.  But the Giants are willing to wait this out.  It is idiotic.

It's a strange circle of life in the NFL

The Jets got rid of Rodgers to sign Fields


The Steelers let Fields walk while hoping to sign Rodgers

 :crazy:  :what:
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spiderblue43

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The Giants continued futile pursuit of Rodgers may be a new low. Embarrassing and empty headed.. desperate..and doomed. Sign either Winston or Flacco..take your lumps this year while building through the draft. If Schoen would take that approach and hit on several starters this draft and perhaps find a QB later...a chance he could save his job. Daboll too if they show potential during the campaign.

But Rodgers or Wilson get them nowhere. What 6...7 wins?  At least Winston would bring some juice to the offense.
I don't think they'll survive, however. Another double digit loss season is very likely and patience with Mara has run out.

andrew_nyGiants

I still have this strange sense that he's going to come out of all this wearing a 49ers uniform.
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That's not to say Rodgers was a slouch last season. He tossed the eighth most passing yards (3,897) and passing touchdowns (28) in the league, threw 11 interceptions, and had the 18th best Pro Football Focus quarterback grade (77.8).

He would be the best QB the Giants have seen in quite some time. But again: The talent gap between him and their Plan B free agent option isn't that big.

Wilson, for instance, can still sling it at 36 years old. He completed 63.7% of his throws for 2,482 yards and 16 touchdowns in 11 starts for the Steelers, and ranked two spots behind Rodgers in PFF's rankings (77.5). Wilson also had more deep-ball success, completing 54% of passes 20-plus yards (compared to Rodgers' 39%). Surely stud receiver Malik Nabers would appreciate that after dealing with a starting trio of Daniel Jones, Drew Lock and Tommy DeVito in 2024.

Things would start to look dire if they strike out on Wilson.

Next in line is Winston, who finished with 2,121 passing yards, 13 touchdowns and 12 interceptions. This statline is par the course for a QB who once tossed 33 touchdowns and 30 interceptions in a single season. He was PFF's 31st ranked QB with a 73.8 grade and a 37.1% completion percentage on deep balls (with 7 touchdowns and 3 interceptions). He might be the youngest option of the bunch, but that certainly doesn't mean he's the best.

Their last resort is 40-year-old Flacco, the NFL's Comeback Player of the Year just two years ago who has fallen off a cliff since then. Flacco posted a 2-4 record, 1,761 passing yards and a 12-7 touchdown-interception ratio in eight appearances with the Colts last season. He had the 35th best PFF QB grade (71.6) with a grade of 67.2 when he tried to throw it deep. Again, he isn't completely washed, but he's probably not turning them into overnight playoff contenders.

https://www.nj.com/giants/2025/03/is-aaron-rodgers-even-worth-waiting-for-how-he-stacks-up-against-other-giants-qb-options.html
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Jclayton92

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 21, 2025, 09:06:19 AMI think Rodgers is playing the Giants just like Stafford did. If not Minnesota, its Pittsburgh for him. He would be nuts to end his career here.
I actually think the Giants would be the best spot for him out of us and the steelers. Arthur Smith loves to run the ball and isn't especially creative with passing concepts. You have a diva, and Metcalf but not much else. They don't have a RB and their oline isn't great. At least the Giants can say we have a 3 deep at wr with Nabers, and if Rodgers signs, we could sell him on pairing hunter with Nabers, and when our oline was healthy it was solid in 2024, and we have an RB duo with a young lead back, the best blocking TE in the league, and a young athletic pass catcher at TE and could add more talent in the draft.

That's before you even get to the fact that we are in an easier NFC, and he already has a place here. He'd also be paired with Daboll who seems to be more collaborative whereas Tomlin and Smith liklelt won't be.

Ed Vette

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 21, 2025, 11:29:54 AMI actually think the Giants would be the best spot for him out of us and the steelers. Arthur Smith loves to run the ball and isn't especially creative with passing concepts. You have a diva, and Metcalf but not much else. They don't have a RB and their oline isn't great. At least the Giants can say we have a 3 deep at wr with Nabers, and if Rodgers signs, we could sell him on pairing hunter with Nabers, and when our oline was healthy it was solid in 2024, and we have an RB duo with a young lead back, the best blocking TE in the league, and a young athletic pass catcher at TE and could add more talent in the draft.

That's before you even get to the fact that we are in an easier NFC, and he already has a place here. He'd also be paired with Daboll who seems to be more collaborative whereas Tomlin and Smith liklelt won't be.
It's a serious risk because the GM and HC may not be here next season if they even last this one. The Steelers are a solid organization with a winning track record. Just one losing season in the last 21 seasons. But if you believe differently, that's your prerogative. But you will never represent me as an Agent. lol
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~ Coach Tom Coughlin

Jclayton92

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 21, 2025, 12:38:36 PMIt's a serious risk because the GM and HC may not be here next season if they even last this one. The Steelers are a solid organization with a winning track record. Just one losing season in the last 21 seasons. But if you believe differently, that's your prerogative. But you will never represent me as an Agent. lol
No I agree that the steelers are the safer organization by a mile. With Rodgers the steelers likely do their same 8-9 win season, but if Rodgers gets 8-9 wins out of a Giants team, I think that challenge/boost to his ego might go along way.

andrew_nyGiants

According to NFL.com Rodgers is visiting the Steelers again today.
From Simms to Eli (with an assist from Hoss) our Super Bowl Quarterbacks. Great defense and clutch QB performances...NY Giants Championship football.

I have an old profile still floating around: andrew_nyg....I am one and the same!

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