A Tier Two QB thread

[MightyGiants]

Rich, tell me what you see.

He didn't look that good in that game.  This game he looks much better

[Ed Vette]

He didn't look that good in that game.  This game he looks much better

Between the two games what did you like, not like, things that stood out to you?
Drop back-
Set Base-
Hitch step to Read Progression and timing-
How fluidly did he go through his reads-
Throwing motion, arm angles, speed adjustments-
Anticipation-
Off Platform throws-
Accuracy-
Decision making-
Pocket awareness, does he move well within the pocket, does he drift to his target, does he bail out too soon, does he hang tough and step up or does he back pedal-
Toughness-
Composure under pressure-
Responsible for own pressure-
Protect the ball-
Throwaway decisions-
Does he force passes in tight coverage instead of taking the checkdowns-
Overall-

1-5 rating

[MightyGiants]

Between the two games what did you like, not like, things that stood out to you?
Drop back-
Set Base-
Hitch step to Read Progression and timing-
How fluidly did he go through his reads-
Throwing motion, arm angles, speed adjustments-
Anticipation-
Off Platform throws-
Accuracy-
Decision making-
Pocket awareness, does he move well within the pocket, does he drift to his target, does he bail out too soon, does he hang tough and step up or does he back pedal-
Toughness-
Composure under pressure-
Responsible for own pressure-
Protect the ball-
Throwaway decisions-
Does he force passes in tight coverage instead of taking the checkdowns-
Overall-

1-5 rating

Ed,

I get it; you don't like what you saw in that one game you posted.  I guess my question to you is why well-respected evaluators like Greg Cossell and Phil Simms (and even Todd McShay) speak so highly of Shough.   

I don't believe my ability to evaluate QBs is better than Simms or Cossell.   So why are they so high on the man?

[Ed Vette]

Ed,

I get it; you don't like what you saw in that one game you posted.  I guess my question to you is why well-respected evaluators like Greg Cossell and Phil Simms (and even Todd McShay) speak so highly of Shough.   

I don't believe my ability to evaluate QBs is better than Simms or Cossell.   So why are they so high on the man?

I want your opinion. You have been doing this long enough to be able to make a fair evaluation, and you don't get paid to do it. I happen to like the QB, and there is a lot that he does well. There are also things that he can work on, as with all these QBs. It comes down to where he should get slotted in this QB Class. It's good to get the evaluations on players, and these men do a good job, but there are some pretty knowledgeable fans here who share their take, and they give good reasons to substantiate it.

If you don't have the time, I understand.   

[Gman329]

Shough....Howard.....Milroe......smells like desperation to me.

Like drafting Nassib, Webb, Lauletta, except higher.

[MightyGiants]

Shough....Howard.....Milroe......smells like desperation to me.

Like drafting Nassib, Webb, Lauletta, except higher.

It's fair to say all three are less likely to succeed than the top QBs in the last draft class and Ward.  I would even say there is a lesser chance of success than Dart and Sanders.

To me, drafting QB is like playing the lottery.  It's all a matter of odds.  I don't think most teams thought the chances of Hurts, Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Brock Purdy, and so on were that great.  Yet the teams that drafted them hit on their lottery ticket.   As I said, there are longer odds, so I am sure there are even more QBs drafted in day two who didn't hit than my list of those who did.

[MightyGiants]

I want your opinion. You have been doing this long enough to be able to make a fair evaluation, and you don't get paid to do it. I happen to like the QB, and there is a lot that he does well. There are also things that he can work on, as with all these QBs. It comes down to where he should get slotted in this QB Class. It's good to get the evaluations on players, and these men do a good job, but there are some pretty knowledgeable fans here who share their take, and they give good reasons to substantiate it.

If you don't have the time, I understand.   

Ed,

Time is the issue.  In my mind, doing a full and proper scouting evaluation would take many hours for each prospect.   I have learned how to scout so when I get conflicting information, I can look at the tape myself and decide who is correct.  Beyond that, I simply don't have the time to scout the hundreds of prospects that come out every year.

I appreciate the value of the scouting done by the people here.  I agree, they are quite good. 

In the case of Schough, I will confess that watching all the snaps from the video you provided and, to a lesser extent, the one I provided didn't impress me that much.

That's why I wondered what keen evaluators like Simms and Cossell see, that I don't

[Philosophers]

My wants for a Day 2 QB selection:

1) Healthy - I don't want a history of huge injuries to key joints like knee, shoulder or god forbid foot injuries.

2) NFL prototypical size - 6'2" is ok so long as enough weight to hold up against NFL defenders.

3) If he is day 2, he is lacking key traits so I want him to be top shelf athlete at QB position, someone who is mobile and puts fears in defenses.

4) I don't want a QB who is fearless, not someone who doubts himself.  If he has some mechanical issues affecting his accuracy, that's ok so long as they can be easily corrected, but I don't want a QB who does not trust himself.

5) Coachable and self motivated.  I don't want a QB who thinks "brand" or always being with his posse or going out.  I want a quiet kid from a great family who instilled a work ethic in him.

I think this description is Jalen Milroe.

[GloryDays]

I see a sleeper type QB prospect in Schough, one who has good fundamentals, vision and accuracy... worth a third round, imo. Considering the veteran QBs on the roster now, and considering the not-so-topnotch QB prospects this year, it would not be wise to use our high first on one of those, specially since the O line is still weak and/or thin.
Sure up the O and D lines this year, get one or two mid-late round QBs like Schough and Howard and see if they can be the one, or then go for one next year in the 1st, with a better team around him.

[LennG]

Will Howard in the 3rd round.

[Ed Vette]

My wants for a Day 2 QB selection:

1) Healthy - I don't want a history of huge injuries to key joints like knee, shoulder or god forbid foot injuries.

2) NFL prototypical size - 6'2" is ok so long as enough weight to hold up against NFL defenders.

3) If he is day 2, he is lacking key traits so I want him to be top shelf athlete at QB position, someone who is mobile and puts fears in defenses.

4) I don't want a QB who is fearless, not someone who doubts himself.  If he has some mechanical issues affecting his accuracy, that's ok so long as they can be easily corrected, but I don't want a QB who does not trust himself.

5) Coachable and self motivated.  I don't want a QB who thinks "brand" or always being with his posse or going out.  I want a quiet kid from a great family who instilled a work ethic in him.

I think this description is Jalen Milroe.

I struggle watching that Offensive. There are some creative plays, and some crazy plays. The Offensive Line struggles to execute a multiple motion, multiple pulling Run Game with missed blocking assignments and poor judgment by Milroe in RPOs. It just seems like he could have been so much more in a different Offense.

He executes empty well with runs and sideline screens. He makes some incredible throws, and then makes off timing throws and some bad decisions.

After watching the Auburn game, I come away feeling like they struggled to put up 28 points against "Auburn". Then when they had the game put away with lots of time left, they just ran the ball as if they were afraid to put the game in Milroe's arm. Then again there wasn't much in the playbook so they ran the same plays over and over. Delayed TE release. Five Receiver post routes and I get it that they want space for Milroe to run, but there are so many route combinations missing between the hashes with nothing but air.

He's got 26 starts under his belt, but there is no improvement from 2023. In fact his stats are worse. I get it. He didn't have a lot to work with. But if he was with Lane Kiffen, he might be in a much better position to be drafted.

I hate to see talent wasted on a smart young man but if he gets drafted in the third or fourth round, I can see him becoming a gadget player like a Taysom Hill. I wonder if he transferred and stayed another year if that would have helped him. I guess there were no opportunities.