Abdul Carter will not work out at Penn State’s Pro Day

[MightyGiants]

While they are claiming that this is due to his shoulder injury, I can't help but feel that perhaps the foot problem is worse than his agent has claimed


Edge rusher and top prospect Abdul Carter will not work out at Penn State's Pro Day on Friday, per his agent Drew Rosenhaus. "He is still finishing up rehab on the shoulder injury he had from the Boise State game," Rosenhaus said. "He may still do a workout for teams sometime in mid April."

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1905295338002317467

[Philosophers]

Cause for concern if he's a consideration.

[MightyGiants]

This is sort of a good news/bad news situation


The good news is that it should hopefully be a clear-cut issue with teams.  Their medical staff should be able to review his medical records and examine him and have a good idea if there is a problem

The bad news is the Giants have Ronnie Barnes has the head of medical

[files58]

This is sort of a good news/bad news situation


The good news is that it should hopefully be a clear-cut issue with teams.  Their medical staff should be able to review his medical records and examine him and have a good idea if there is a problem

The bad news is the Giants have Ronnie Barnes has the head of medical

and quite possibly Dr Hackenbush on staff.

[Jclayton92]

Non-issue in my opinion.

[Rosehill Jimmy]

This is sort of a good news/bad news situation


The good news is that it should hopefully be a clear-cut issue with teams.  Their medical staff should be able to review his medical records and examine him and have a good idea if there is a problem

The bad news is the Giants have Ronnie Barnes has the head of medical

I doubt very much if Barnes is making evaluations based on the reading of exrays MRIs, etc. That's why there are orthopedics on the payroll. JMO

[MightyGiants]

I doubt very much if Barnes is making evaluations based on the reading of exrays MRIs, etc. That's why there are orthopedics on the payroll. JMO

Barnes makes the call, no doubt with input from his staff.  The same Barnes who okeyed trading for hamstring Waller

[Philosophers]

Barnes makes the call, no doubt with input from his staff.  The same Barnes who okeyed trading for hamstring Waller

When is a medical trainer a boss over medical doctors and surgeons?

[MightyGiants]

When is a medical trainer a boss over medical doctors and surgeons?

When he he a senior VP who has major input in the team's operations (per a report from Mike Lombardi).   Plus it's been stated by multiple GMs that players need Ronnie's blessing before a player becomes a Giant

[Philosophers]

When he he a senior VP who has major input in the team's operations (per a report from Mike Lombardi).   Plus it's been stated by multiple GMs that players need Ronnie's blessing before a player becomes a Giant

That is beyond stupid.  That is like saying a Cessna pilot for 40 years is Secretary of the Air Force.

[Painter]

Barnes makes the call, no doubt with input from his staff.  The same Barnes who okeyed trading for hamstring Waller

It's long past time for you to stop choking on that ridiculous bias you have been peddling here for far too long, Rich. It is something which has never been shared by anyone in the organization, owners, front office, and players, and most especially the latter, many of whom are on record in speaking highly of him. Of course, when it comes to the Met Life playing surface, you won't hear anything of the kind. Moreover, throughout the past dozen years, there has been distinct change in Barnes's, title, role, and prerogative.

Cheers!

 
 

[MightyGiants]

It's long past time for you to stop choking on that ridiculous bias you have been peddling here for far too long, Rich. It is something which has never been shared by anyone in the organization, owners, front office, and players, and most especially the latter, many of whom are on record in speaking highly of him. Of course, when it comes to the Met Life playing surface, you won't hear anything of the kind. Moreover, throughout the past dozen years, there has been distinct change in Barnes's, title, role, and prerogative.

Cheers!

 
 

What we are long past is constantly being kneecapped by injuries, season after season.   It's your right to carry Barnes' water, just like Mara, but that isn't going to stop me from demanding accountability.


As for people speaking highly of him, I have no doubt Barnes is charismatic.  The problem with your defense thesis is not a single one of your witnesses is remotely qualified to judge medical matters.   Stats and the whole Barnes at Wellington's death bed...

[jgrangers2]

Non-issue in my opinion.

He's pretty much established as a top 5 pick and one of the few blue chips in this class. Not sure he has much to gain by working out for coaches. This isn't like when Neal skipped drills at the combine as he wasn't even established as the best player at his position at that point.

[kartanoman]

What we are long past is constantly being kneecapped by injuries, season after season.   It's your right to carry Barnes' water, just like Mara, but that isn't going to stop me from demanding accountability.


As for people speaking highly of him, I have no doubt Barnes is charismatic.  The problem with your defense thesis is not a single one of your witnesses is remotely qualified to judge medical matters.   Stats and the whole Barnes at Wellington's death bed...

Let's keep this simple and remove fingerpointing and stick to what the data tells us. Granted, empirical data is hardly available to the fan, lest you wish to pay hundreds of dollars for a subscription every season.

It is not difficult to conclude that the Giants continue to trend as one of the highest Lost Man-Games due to Injury teams in the NFL, year over year, and its impact has directly correlated with the team's W-L-T record accordingly.

What is not readily available, but probably could be, with some effective data mining, is a solid root cause analysis to:

1. Identify and describe the problem (i.e. Problem Statement)

2. Generate a "Cause - Effect" analysis, using an appropriate tool (e.g. "Five Whys," "Ishikawa," or Fishbone Diagram, Failure Modes and Effects Analysis, etc.)

3. Identify "Immediate Cause" and implement "Immediate Actions" to, as they say, "stop the bleeding" and make the problem worse.

Continue to analyze until a root cause or, at a minimum, a number of direct causes, have been uncovered.

4. Identify Corrective Actions for the root and/or direct causes, implement and test sufficiently to determine its effectiveness.

5. IF the Corrective Action(s) eliminate the problem, Identify and implement Preventive Actions to prevent recurrence of the issue.

6. Implement "Measures of Effectiveness" for testing the Preventive Action Plan and verify on a continuous improvement basis.

Until the proper analysis is performed to determine the likely direct causes (NOTE: a single root cause is unlikely given all the variables that present risk for injury when playing pro football), we can only take WAGs (i.e. Wild A$$ Guesses) and even pointing fingers is no closer to a direct cause.

In the end, it's all about risk of injury, understanding the factors that contribute to injury, the effectiveness of mitigation plans and execution and the rest is uncertainty that comes after the ball is snapped.

But I do agree with you, Rich @MightyGiants  , in that the Giants' organization, under Ronnie Barnes, would be in a better position by being pro-active, in using a risk management approach, and root cause / corrective action planning and execution when a risk deteriorates into a full-blown issue.

More teams in the NFL are beginning to follow the lead of the Rams' system of profiling the player, identifying their weak points on their body frame, identifying individual plans to strengthen or improve agility and flexibility to mitigate injury. This pro-active approach has been proven to mitigate instances of severe injuries as well as improve recovery time of the players who do get injured. One would think it should be benchmarked as a best practice for sports medicine in general.

Peace!