ABDUL CARTER

[MightyGiants]

You gotta stop posting all this information....it's making me change my mind almost daily!!

I thought that Hunter is the best player for us to take if he's available, but now you've got me questioning my wanting him over Carter.

I'm thinking I'll be fine with either when it comes time to pick.

I think I'll resign my place as a Big Blue fan if they are both available and we don't take either of them!

Yep....calling it now. If they are both available at 3 and we don't take either, I'm done!!

Barring a trade down for a Ricky Williams package that is....I could live with that!

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At this point, I think the only thing that would disappoint me (at least a bit) would be drafting Sanders at three

[MightyGiants]

It's still not clear to me how we'd get Carter, Thibs and Burns on the field at the same time.  I'd prefer Hunter, which would give us a dominant secondary, with Adebo, Vernon, Nubin and Phillips......but it appears the Browns have come to their senses and will grab him at 2. 

Push Burns or Thibs inside on obvious passing downs.  Have a three-man rotation at Edge.  Carter can also play some ILB and spy (for mobile QBs)

[PSUBeirut]

Carter is a chess piece who can rush the passer from multiple angles and even stunt and drop back effectively if needed.  I don't think it will be hard at all for an NFL-caliber DC to find creative ways to put all 3 on the field on obvious passing downs (and if he's a GOOD DC, every down).  I actually loved Carter as a LB, especially on weakside.  He would also be a demon as a QB shadow, finding gaps to shoot through once the play develops / the pocket breaks down. 

If he can add a bit of muscle to the frame to stand up better at the POA, watch out.  He has the frame to still develop.

[Philosophers]

Push Burns or Thibs inside on obvious passing downs.  Have a three-man rotation at Edge.  Carter can also play some ILB and spy (for mobile QBs)

Thibs cant hold up inside.  No power.

[Gmo11]

It's still not clear to me how we'd get Carter, Thibs and Burns on the field at the same time.  I'd prefer Hunter, which would give us a dominant secondary, with Adebo, Vernon, Nubin and Phillips......but it appears the Browns have come to their senses and will grab him at 2. 

Justin Tuck jumped inside back in the day on passing downs when he was the 3rd best pass rusher on the line.  Thibs may need to take some snaps in there on passing downs and I'd be he'd find a lot of success next to Dex while the offense has to figure out what to do with Carter on one side and Burns on the other. Neither one of which can be blocked routinely. 

[Philosophers]

Keep in mind that the DL with Tuck had the smallest guy (Osi I believe) at 265-270 pounds).  This DL with Thibs woukd overall be lighter (other than Dex) so not sure one goes inside.  Think 1 comes off.

[PSUBeirut]

I always thought Tuck was a bit of an anomaly and we benefitted largely from that.  If you could build a prototypical strongside DE, I'd think they'd look a lot like Justin Tuck.  I'm not sure there's anyone on the current roster (and not many leaguewide) like Tuck.

[files58]

If they draft Carter the FO should arrange for Carter to have consultations with Banks and Taylor on what GIANT DEFENSE is all about. They didn't have a tent in LT's day. If they did it would have been filled. The goal of the defense should be put as many in the tent as possible while hitting hard and clean. It's even worth to pick spots where a 15 yd. personal foul is acceptable. I want eagles with "broken wings", and pokes who can't climb a horse.

[spiderblue43]

Could the throw the TV brick moment be drafting Sanders at three? It will be for me. Omg .take Carter..No brainer and a foundation piece   all-pro caliber for years..

[Uncle Mickey]

Keep in mind that the DL with Tuck had the smallest guy (Osi I believe) at 265-270 pounds).  This DL with Thibs woukd overall be lighter (other than Dex) so not sure one goes inside.  Think 1 comes off.

Think of what this looks like: GHolston was used inside as a DT in a wide 9 on passing downs with Dallas.


Passing downs:

Burns-Gholston-Dex-THibs/Carter

McFadden-Okereke-Carter (blitzing often)

Long yardage:

Burns-Gholston-Dex-THibs/Carter

Okereke/Carter

+ more DBs

Run and some mix Downs :

Gholston-High 2nd or 3rd rd DT- Dex-THibs/Burns
McFadden-Okereke-Carter


*Bowen did have this squad leading the NFL in sacks last year through 7 games and now we have greatly improved the secondary. Imagine the rush with Carter and a high 2nd or 3rd round DT mixed in to what we added this offseason?

[killarich]

Think of what this looks like: GHolston was used inside as a DT in a wide 9 on passing downs with Dallas.


Passing downs:

Burns-Gholston-Dex-THibs/Carter

McFadden-Okereke-Carter (blitzing often)

Long yardage:

Burns-Gholston-Dex-THibs/Carter

Okereke/Carter

+ more DBs

Run and some mix Downs :

Gholston-High 2nd or 3rd rd DT- Dex-THibs/Burns
McFadden-Okereke-Carter


*Bowen did have this squad leading the NFL in sacks last year through 7 games and now we have greatly improved the secondary. Imagine the rush with Carter and a high 2nd or 3rd round DT mixed in to what we added this offseason?

Are you assuming we switch to a 4-3 ??

[Uncle Mickey]

Are you assuming we switch to a 4-3 ??

Bowen ran some last year. We were multiple . And with the 3 backers we absolutely can but it will likely continue to be a mix.

[andrew_nyGiants]

Do you take Carter while sitting on a blockbuster draft day trade for Thibideaux?

[MightyGiants]

Do you take Carter while sitting on a blockbuster draft day trade for Thibideaux?

As Accossi said:  You can never have too many pass rushers

Let the team have a core rotation of Carter, Burns, and Thibs

[UncannyGfan]

I agree, if all three have equal snap counts and only 2 are on the field at a time, their intensity per snap will be hard to stop through out the game.