How would you feel if the Giants trade down?

[Painter]

As the first 3 picks now seem certain to be Ward, Hunter, and Carter and in that order no less, and the media monkeys know it, it's causing them agita in their feckless attempts to compete for eyeballs. But like a con man- you know who I mean- they don't have to be smart as long as their victims are dumb enough. 

Cheers!

[Brooklyn Dave]

Do you think that George Young would have traded down in 1981? I am not comparing Abdul Carter with LT because there is no one to compare with LT. But that said , I don't think that even George Young thought that LT would becomne  the best defense player ever.

I am no football pundit by any means but it seems from everything I hve read Carter can be an All Pro for man years and you don't you walk away from that kind of talent .

[DaveBrown74]

I am more open to a trade-down than some in this thread appear to be. I certainly would not give the pick away for anything less than a very convincing package, but I also am not in the camp that it has to be an absurdly ridiculous offer to get me to bite. Any offer that involves a 2026 first rounder at least gets me on the phone. I simply don't believe our QB for the next decade is in this draft (that includes Ward btw), and I am of the opinion that next year's will have at least two or three who are better than any of this year's. Therefore I don't see why trading back for significant 2026 capital is a bad idea.

I do appreciate that trading back may forego a blue chip defensive player, and I also appreciate that fans are very justifiably tired of losing and want near term results instead of pissing away another season and kicking the can. I totally get that, and I am sympathetic to that view myself in many ways. I just think until you have a real QB, you're one of the have-nots in this league, and I think it's very disruptive to force a QB pick and then spend years trying to convince yourself that player is something he is not. We just got through six (yes, six) years of that, and I really don't want to do it again. If trading down gets us another first rounder next year and puts us in a position to draft a better prospect than what we have access to this year, I don't see how that can be such a bad thing.

[Philosophers]

It would have to be a "what the heck are the Saints thinking?" type of offer.  I am talking Ditka giving up the entire draft for Ricky Williams type stupidity.

As Gmo stated, there are 3 players who are head and shoulders above everyone else.  I would want 9, 40, 71, and their first next year.

I would also have to consider where Carter and Hunter stand historically against other top prospects?  If I am giving up one them, what are the chances I will have an opportunity to select someone as good next year?    Simply picking up a 1st next year doesn't do it for me on its own.  If they wind up with two picks 15 or later, it is a lot different than a top 5 and a top 10.

Before nearly draft, the first one, two, three, five prospects are touted as so much better than the rest yet better players emerge farther down the draft.  The chance that Hunter/Carter are the two best players at end of year are probably very slim.

[Rosehill Jimmy]

To get a sense, I traded down and ran a mock draft

Whenever mocks are posted I'm always curious to know who else was available at the time the choice was made.  Do you remember the pool of players from which you plucked Sanders at #7? 

[Shoelessjoe]

Do you think that George Young would have traded down in 1981? I am not comparing Abdul Carter with LT because there is no one to compare with LT. But that said , I don't think that even George Young thought that LT would becomne  the best defense player ever.

I am no football pundit by any means but it seems from everything I hve read Carter can be an All Pro for man years and you don't you walk away from that kind of talent .

Your comments about George Young and the drafting of Taylor brought back some memories about the whole what I had heard about the drafting of Taylor. As a result, I searched and came up with this article, which pretty much sums up how it came about.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/2544659/2021/04/28/how-the-giants-landed-lawrence-taylor-40-years-ago-the-debate-at-no-1-and-dodging-the-cowboys/

Gil Brandt and George Young were at Clemson on Nov. 8, 1980. The two teams were playing on Sunday, so both GMs were scouting the game. Taylor made about 30 plays all over the field. Neither said a word about the game on the flight back to NY. Brandt said that he knew at that time that Young loved the player. Dallas tried to trade with New Orleans to get Taylor, but Dallas had pick 26, and the deal could not be made.

[GloryDays]

https://x.com/GetUpESPN/status/1914666457960501267

Unless a team is already a contender and does not have more than a couple of needs, they would probably get more value from trading down. Also since even high picks' success rate is much lower than 100%, with more high picks you increase the chance of getting fine starters.
If we can trade down  to the teens for an additional second this year and a second or a first next year, and with the lower first and the added second we can get two top prospects at OT and DT, strengthening the lines; that would be a dream come through.

[UKGiantsFan]

With Carter available,  it's a thanks but no thanks. With Hunter available as Carter's gone to CLE,  I'd think long and hard about it. I wouldn't drop outside the top 10-12, but there are impact players on my board we could target instead (Jalon Walker, Walter Nolen) as well as add others in later rounds and perhaps position ourselves for a QB in 2026 to boot.

[katkavage]

It will be highly unlikely, even shocking, if the Giants trade out of three if both Carter and Hunter are there. And one of them will be. If this was  a new regime (GM and Coach) I might see a slight blip down to acquire a first round pick for 2026 so they can use that to move up if necessary to get a QB next year. But since the duo is on the hot seat and must win this year, they will stand pat and waste a second round pick or make a dumb trade to move up to take someone like Dart who will fill the Drew Lock position just to say they drafted a QB. Milroe at least will have some impact if they draft him--as a weapon. The other QBs are backups at best.

[MightyGiants]

Whenever mocks are posted I'm always curious to know who else was available at the time the choice was made.  Do you remember the pool of players from which you plucked Sanders at #7? 

You're asking more than my memory can give 

[Woody]

trade down only if they get next year #1 and more and    can still get one of their top rated players.....passing on Carter would require a boat load of picks...for me

[Dumpster Dan]

To get a sense, I traded down and ran a mock draft

Rich

I'm old and not  quite awake

If you traded down   why only 7 picks???

Dumpster Dan

[MightyGiants]

Rich

I'm old and not  quite awake

If you traded down   why only 7 picks???

Dumpster Dan

The idea was that the Giants want to get their QB of the future.  I felt that the trade down should be minimal, as going down too far risks the target QB being drafted (either by a sitting team or via trade) before the Giants made their pick. 

[Dumpster Dan]

So you swapped with #7   and picked up #42???


Dan

[MightyGiants]

So you swapped with #7   and picked up #42???


Dan

Exactly,

I gave up a blue-chipper, but got another higher second-round pick (with the return being getting the hopeful QB of the future).  I thought it was a pretty good deal, as I like many of the options available in round 2.