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Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 01:49:52 PMI am not sure what your point is exactly? I simply pointed out that per his metrics he got significantly overpaid for name recognition and for what the Eagles think he could possibly be with them. All were factual statements, but it is what it is at this point. There is a reason the Giants didn't even offer him at all and turned around and paid for Singletary.

Pretty simple.

"He was overpaid"  - Obviously your opinion.  Not a fact.  I'm guessing that the front offices that were offering Saquon likely disagreed with your opinion...seeing as how they actually paid the guy.
"He got overpaid because of name recognition"  - Obviously another opinion.  Not a fact (unless you can show where the Eagles front office stated this?)
"He got paid because of what the Eagles think he could possibly be with them"  - Bingo, your first factual statement.

My point was simply- your opinions don't set the market for RBs.  The market for RBs sets the market for RBs.  It's pretty straightforward.  And- it's ok to have been wrong about the fact that the guy got paid, when in you and many others opinions here didn't think he would. 

As to my opinion surrounding these facts- it's my opinion that Saquon's metrics were obviously down because he was coming off major injury and running behind a historically bad OL and accompanied by a historically bad QB situation last year.  My opinion is the Eagles (and Texans and possible others) front office saw this as an opportunity to significantly upgrade their team at a reasonable total cost, cap wise.  And, finally, I predict if Saquon can continue to recover from his injury and see some daylight in front of him, those silly metrics will improve significantly.  I just hope that doesn't lead to the Eagles squashing us or making any kind of deep run into the playoffs. 

I'm not going to apologize for being one of this guy's biggest fans.  He puts his nose down, works his ass off, does everything his coach tells him to do, is a community leader, a team captain, worked his way back from major injury, and hasn't complained about the ridiculously awful situation he was drafted into and the surrounding lack of talent he's endured for years- when he absolutely could have.  And as far as contracts- he placed huge bets on himself....and won.  I respect that.  I wish him the best.

And, finally- I personally 100% agree with the move by Schoen to move on- I think it's a case of win-win for both parties.  Saquon absolutely deserves a chance to live up to his potential somewhere else and the Giants, with DJ's contract, simply couldn't justify paying them both top shelf (for their position) money.

Quote from: Philosophers on Today at 09:17:14 AMJess - I'll be very disappointed if their best RT is playing RG.  That simply can't happen.  It's got to be the best 5 at their positions and to establish it early so they get reps.

Yeah from what I'm hearing at otas they haven't defined a 5, but instead are working on 2 man blocking combos currently so hopefully we see something soon.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on Today at 10:48:31 AMPFF had DJ ranked 12th in the league just prior to the 2023 season, which can be seen down below.

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Now after the 2023 season they have him ranked 29th, seems a bit radical doesn't it?

NFL.com had DJ ranked 18th before the 2023 season, which can be seen down below.

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Now they have him ranked 46th, which can be seen down below, seems a bit extreme doesn't it?

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-ranking-all-66-starting-quarterbacks-from-the-2023-nfl-season

PFF are going off of Jones pff rankings among his peers for 2023 alone. The article is based on "starting" qbs and not every Qb otherwise he would have been below his teammates from last season as noted in the article.

As for NFL.com, they have Jones ranked based on his production from last season based on the other 66 qbs that also participated.

Both rankings are based on what Jones did in 2023 alone, not what he did in 2022, 2021, or what they think he can do.

Based on simply his 2023 production alone and not anything else which is what they did you can see why the rankings are what they are currently.

Now if he plays well in 2024 then I'm sure he'll go back up in their rankings for the 2024 season alone.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 01:59:33 PMYeah I just see it as content to get through the dead season. There are always guys that rise and fall in any given season so it's pointless to predict but makes for an enjoyable read if bored basically.

Yeah, I get it. If these lists were catalogued in the library, I'm sure we'd find them in the "Fiction" or "Fantasy" sections.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on Today at 10:55:56 AMIt's almost as if there was football played between these pre-season 2023 and 2024 rankings which affected them...

One more presentation of facts like this from you and you'll be facing suspension. Consider yourself warned...

































 

Quote from: T200 on Today at 01:44:22 PMFor me, these lists aren't about the players or teams. It's based on personal preference of some isolated criteria. It's worthless. But... people try to justify or debunk whatever they agree or disagree with. It's just someone else's opinion. They're peddled as if they determine something when in reality, they determine absolutely nothing.

Yeah I just see it as content to get through the dead season. There are always guys that rise and fall in any given season so it's pointless to predict but makes for an enjoyable read if bored basically.

These 2 list cover the past decade plus of RBs for the Super Bowl winning and losing team. Only Christian McCaffrey and Marshawn Lynch made the pro bowl the year their team went to the super bowl.

Joseph Addai/Donald Brown 2009

Rashard Mendenhall 2010

BenJarvus Green-Ellis / Shane Vereen / Stevan Ridley 2011

Frank Gore 2012

Knowshon Moreno 2013

Marshawn Lynch 2014

Jonathan Stewart 2015

Devonta Freeman / Tevin Coleman 2016

Dion Lewis / James White 2017

Todd Gurley 2018

Matt Breida / Jeff Wilson / Raheem Mostert 2019

Clyde Edwards-Helaire 2020

Joe Mixon 2021

Miles Sanders 2022

Christian McCaffrey 2023

Quote from: PSUBeirut on May 21, 2024, 10:14:07 PMThe market is what the market is.  The Eagles weren't the only team making a serious offer that was significantly above what I imagine you and many others thought a team would be willing to pay for a guy with such ridiculously bad metrics.  We'll see how it plays out, I guess, but it would not surprise me in the least to see Barkley have a good to great year and perhaps a spring in his step once he sees some daylight in front of him.

I am not sure what your point is exactly? I simply pointed out that per his metrics he got significantly overpaid for name recognition and for what the Eagles think he could possibly be with them. All were factual statements, but it is what it is at this point. There is a reason the Giants didn't even offer him at all and turned around and paid for Singletary.

I'd like him to do well to show what he's capable of behind a half decent offensive line, like most others, he's nothing. Once a Giant, always... What a joke.