Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: AP44 on December 19, 2022, 08:28:11 AMIt's amazing after a big time win last night, we still have to read posts degrading the QB. And I was told I was the one with the agenda....

So you thought the Qb played amazing football last night? To say he managed the game is not degrading him, it's simply saying he managed... what else can you say about a 160 yards lol?

Quote from: AP44 on December 18, 2022, 09:56:49 PMThat was a pretty good drive, don't you think? Jones making money throws all drive too.

Yeah all that money for a total of 160 yards. One drive does not make a season or a game. It was a great drive, if he could do that every possession we wouldn't be having discussions. The problem is that Jones has one decent drive a game, or one great game a season and people think he should be retained. The Backup in Washington significantly outplayed Jones tonight. Great full for the win, but I doubt Jones made any money tonight, he just managed.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 18, 2022, 03:57:45 PMWould you be happy with any of those QB's instead of Daniel Jones or it has to be the Draft?

Depends on the situation, I wouldn't be thrilled with any of them longterm. They all have positives but in that range they also all have negatives. 

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 18, 2022, 03:20:54 PMCan Dallas win the NFC with a 6-7.5 QB?

With their defense and pollard I think divisional round at best.

Quote from: Fletch on December 18, 2022, 01:35:36 PMI'm watching nfl network at the gym and for those who don't k is just show clips of games happening right now.

We should start a running thread of throws NFl QBs can make that Daniel Jones can't . So far I have seen dak prescott and Darnold of all things not to mention Jared Goff as well.

A fourth year qb the giants have which half the fan base is in love with and wants extended . Boggles the mind

See for everyone that thinks I'm a Jones hater I was all in on him the first few years and did tons of research and analytics on him. The wild thing is that he used to be able to make some of those throws, his first two years he had great deep ball placement and his timing was spot on. I don't know if it was Garrett or whomever but last year Jones was broken and despite Daboll and crew squeezing every single thing out of him, I don't think you'll ever see better than we're seeing right now from Jones which is scary for everyone wanting him to be retained because he's missing the basic instincts to nit only survive but thrive as an NFL QB.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 18, 2022, 12:58:15 PMColt McCoy 2
Dak Prescott 6
Daniel Jones 5
Mac Jones 4
Ryan Tannehill 6
Jimmy G 6
Goff 6
Mitch Trubisky 5
Derek Carr 6

Yeah similar to mine give or take, for the most part.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 18, 2022, 11:34:32 AMWow! That's interesting. Looks like you saw one being the highest and you ranked them instead of scaling them. Ok, that's cool.

Lol it was early where I am, was just trying to participate. I'll adjust now that I've had coffee.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 18, 2022, 09:44:24 AMRank the following QB's on a scale of 1-10.

Colt McCoy
Dak Prescott
Daniel Jones
Mac Jones
Ryan Tannehill
Jimmy G
Goff
Mitch Trubisky
Derek Carr

Colt McCoy 3
Dak Prescott 7
Daniel Jones 5
Mac Jones 5?
Ryan Tannehill 5
Jimmy G 6
Goff 6
Mitch Trubisky 5
Derek Carr 7

Mac Jones was hard as he had a phenomenal rookie season, but has come down to earth with 2,189 yard 7 Td 8 Int so until I see different I've got to go 5

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 17, 2022, 07:18:56 AMI can't help but think of the golden rule when I see posts like this.  It's more than fair to want to be treated with respect and have your opinions considered valid rather than just the rantings of Jones haters.    Yet while that is how you want to be treated, in turn, you crap all over those that don't agree with you and paint people who support Jones as irrational people that see anything less than 100% Jones as hating him.  I wish this do as I say, not as I do, was a one-off, but sadly 3 people endorsed that post.

I am done with this nonsense.  How about we stick with the topic of this thread?

Rambo has never crapped all over you and brings a ton of discussion to your board, but sure go after him Rich. I was initially just trying to tell you the you were alienating half of the board not being actually neutral and liking all of BFs, and Todges posts and ranting about Jones haters at the deadline and even a week ago. If you don't want to change, I don't care, I was just trying to tell you as the owner that more ppl might actually speak their mind if you were actually Switzerland.

Most people everyone calls Jones haters genuinely think he's a middle of the road average Qb, and just think the team should go in a different direction. That's it, and you can make it more but in reality they think he's 15-20 and want more for the team. Not hating, just loving the Giants and having a different perspective.

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 15, 2022, 04:28:53 PMJess,

Now you are contradicting the stats you posted earlier in the thread.  QBR was your choice.   Now for reference, the highest QBR rating is Mahomes at 77.9.   I will put in bold how many of DJ's games he exceeded that number.

Jones QBR, Yards, TD

Wk1 23.4 188 2
Wk2 38.2 176 1
Wk3 46.9 196
Wk4 88.4 71
Wk5 70.6 217
Wk6 72.0 173 2
Wk7 86.9 202 1
Wk8 24.5 176
Wk10 85.4 197 2
Wk11 38.1 341 1
Wk12 59.4 228 1
WK13 31.5 200 1
Wk14 78.2 169 1

Now in fairness, Jones is in the first year of a new system.  His O-line at its best is mediocre to average and at worse (which happens far too often) is one of the worst in the league.  Jones doesn't have a top-10 receiving target that all the top-10 QBs who are not named Rogers or Brady have.   Yet despite all that there were by your chosen measure 4 games that Jones played outstanding football (one of them earning him NFC offensive player of the week).

There are valid and legit concerns/criticisms of DJ, but frankly, this claim about him never being anything but mediocre no matter what is simply not accurate.

I posted his weekly QBR and yards because it was supposed to be a Jones thread just like Ed posted the Qbr from ESPN? What does that have to do with saying statically in college he has had the same stats every season and as a pro he's virtually had the same stats every season...

Your wanting me to give him a cookie for playing well in 4 out of 13 games?

I genuinely would love to know Why you get so upset when anyone says anything that isn't pro Jones? For you to claim be so neutral you haven't posted one thread, one Twitter post, one article, or one picture of anything stating the other case? For as many threads as you start, not one talking about the other side and why he shouldn't be retained. Instead you go in every single thread debating anyone that doesn't see through Jones tinted glasses.

It's amazing how content with average we are. The guy has had the same average stats going on 7 years, and instead of trying to find a Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, or Burrow we just doom ourselves to continued mediocrity. No matter who Jones has had on offense he puts up virtually the same stats, did the same thing in college. Genuinely blows my mind after 4 years of this we're wanting to sign up for more. To say Jones doesn't have targets, Slayton, Hodgins, Robinson, Barkley, Bollinger wasn't an absolutely horrible lineup and we have done nothing... absolutely nothing, could it be better absolutely but only a 160-179 yards a game? It's not that bad Taylor replicated a third of Jones' passing in 5 minutes that Jones had the whole game but yeah.. everyone else is the problem.

He's gotta consistently throw it deeper that 7 yards to be a top 5-10 QB, which he seems to have forgotten how to do.

Jones QBR, Yards, TD

Wk1 23.4 188 2
Wk2 38.2 176 1
Wk3 46.9 196
Wk4 88.4 71
Wk5 70.6 217
Wk6 72.0 173 2
Wk7 86.9 202 1
Wk8 24.5 176
Wk10 85.4 197 2
Wk11 38.1 341 1
Wk12 59.4 228 1
WK13 31.5 200 1
Wk14 78.2 169 1

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 02, 2022, 09:34:39 PMAdded you to the December Bdays.

thanks 👊