Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 04, 2023, 10:40:42 AMHe at least got to a Super Bowl and could read a defense with no fear of going downfield instead of always looking for his check down or underneath route.

Thanks for sharing that. Exactly what I thought!

By the way, how long was KC in the league and how good of a team did he have, compared to this one. By the way, I was happy when they got him to the Giants. Unfortunately the SB was devastating but he was a very good Giant.

Quote from: DragonSoul on October 04, 2023, 07:52:00 PMThanks for sharing that. Exactly what I thought!

By the way, how long was KC in the league and how good of a team did he have, compared to this one. By the way, I was happy when they got him to the Giants. Unfortunately the SB was devastating but he was a very good Giant.

He could read a defense and knew how to audible and adjust his line pre snap.  Something Jones has yet to comprehend in Year 5.

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 04, 2023, 07:58:58 PMHe could read a defense and knew how to audible and adjust his line pre snap.  Something Jones has yet to comprehend in Year 5.

It's truly amazing he rarely audibles. Is there a a PDF stat for that?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 04, 2023, 10:45:57 AMI liked Collins. We needed a QB badly and I wasn't sure about him when they signed him, but overall he did a very solid job for us at a time when we really needed someone to step up at the position.

After Brown, Maddox and Kanell, it was breathtaking to see a QB who could hit a Receiver in stride.

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 05, 2023, 07:33:37 AMAfter Brown, Maddox and Kanell, it was breathtaking to see a QB who could hit a Receiver in stride.

Forgot about Maddox (AKA Tommy-Gun). He was a total disaster for us. Weirdly, he was actually not terrible on the Steelers after that for a brief period.

Nobody misses Jesse Palmer? He was so dreamy on the bachelor.

Quote from: JT39 on October 05, 2023, 09:20:44 AMNobody misses Jesse Palmer? He was so dreamy on the bachelor.

I was surprised to find out he is only one of 2 Canadians to start an NFL game. The CFL really likes to keep their natives. Did Palmer ever play in the CFL after his disaster of a 2003 season or just went to straight to sleeping with whores on a game show.

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 04, 2023, 07:58:58 PMHe could read a defense and knew how to audible and adjust his line pre snap.  Something Jones has yet to comprehend in Year 5.

I think this touches on what is so perplexing about Jones:  By all accounts he is very intelligent.   But for some reason he seems to have mental blocks on some football basics. 

You see the physical ability at times and you know the guy is smart, but it seems like there are mental aspects of the game the elude him.  Is he permanently rattled? 

If he is, not much anyone can do. 

Quote from: uconnjack8 on October 05, 2023, 09:53:43 AMI think this touches on what is so perplexing about Jones:  By all accounts he is very intelligent.   But for some reason he seems to have mental blocks on some football basics. 

You see the physical ability at times and you know the guy is smart, but it seems like there are mental aspects of the game the elude him.  Is he permanently rattled? 

If he is, not much anyone can do. 

It's not perplexing as there are some players who are book smart while others who are instinctively smart who have that awareness and ability to think on the fly.  IMO Jones is the former not the latter.

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 05, 2023, 10:12:42 AMIt's not perplexing as there are some players who are book smart while others who are instinctively smart who have that awareness and ability to think on the fly.  IMO Jones is the former not the latter.

Agreed. Classic books smarts and football smarts are two different things IMO. To conflate QB processing ability with raw intelligence is similar to saying someone who is a fast reader is definitely smarter than someone who is a slower reader. There may be a vague correlation, but in the end they are two different things in my opinion.

I find it perplexing because we see it sometimes but not others. 

It seems the people around him thought his football smarts were good enough to sign him to the current contract.  I dont think they were looking at his Duke transcripts for that.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on October 05, 2023, 10:38:57 AMI find it perplexing because we see it sometimes but not others. 

It seems the people around him thought his football smarts were good enough to sign him to the current contract.  I dont think they were looking at his Duke transcripts for that.

That's a fair point, but I think they made a calculated decision when they signed Jones. What were their other options at the time? They weren't picking in the top 20, and it was a very weak QB draft, so drafting a QB this year was not a realistic option. They could have let Jones go and signed someone like Carr or Jimmy G, but I can see why they would have preferred Jones to either of those options. They could have tagged Jones, but that likely would have meant losing Barkley and not being as good this year. Tough to do that when you just had your first winning season and playoff win in ages. The contract they did give Jones was unlike other recent big second QB contracts in the careful way it was structured (ie the huge year two hit).

I'm not saying they signed Jones while not liking him. Obviously they were able to make the playoffs and win a playoff game with him last year, which was a big improvement over previous years. I think they viewed it as the best option they had at the time, but were not so convinced on him as to really go all-in the way the other teams have done with big 2nd QB contract. The transaction was more careful and calculated than that.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 05, 2023, 10:45:34 AMThat's a fair point, but I think they made a calculated decision when they signed Jones. What were their other options at the time? They weren't picking in the top 20, and it was a very weak QB draft, so drafting a QB this year was not a realistic option. They could have let Jones go and signed someone like Carr or Jimmy G, but I can see why they would have preferred Jones to either of those options. They could have tagged Jones, but that likely would have meant losing Barkley and not being as good this year. Tough to do that when you just had your first winning season and playoff win in ages. The contract they did give Jones was unlike other recent big second QB contracts in the careful way it was structured (ie the huge year two hit).

I'm not saying they signed Jones while not liking him. Obviously they were able to make the playoffs and win a playoff game with him last year, which was a big improvement over previous years. I think they viewed it as the best option they had at the time, but were not so convinced on him as to really go all-in the way the other teams have done with big 2nd QB contract. The transaction was more careful and calculated than that.

By contract structure we can see they were not 100% convinced.  It may become a cautionary tale for the future if it's not already.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on October 05, 2023, 10:38:57 AMI find it perplexing because we see it sometimes but not others. 

It seems the people around him thought his football smarts were good enough to sign him to the current contract.  I dont think they were looking at his Duke transcripts for that.

They were backed into a corner after last season.  They were coming off a season where he was decent and they won 9 games plus a playoff game.  They didn't have a high enough draft pick to draft a QB and their other options to replace Jones with were limited.  Outside of tagging him and letting him play out 2023 they made the safe decision of signing him to an extension that gives them an out after 2 seasons.

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 05, 2023, 11:44:14 AMThey were backed into a corner after last season.  They were coming off a season where he was decent and they won 9 games plus a playoff game.  They didn't have a high enough draft pick to draft a QB and their other options to replace Jones with were limited.  Outside of tagging him and letting him play out 2023 they made the safe decision of signing him to an extension that gives them an out after 2 seasons.

Which I imagine they decided because it was the only way to keep Barkley too.  Which they only wanted to do because they felt that they could build off of last season and possibly contend this year, one year ahead of schedule.  But clearly that was a miscalculation.  In retrospect probably best to have just let them both walk, suffered through a miserable season (we're doing that anyway) and put yourself in position to draft caleb williams while using the Jones money to fortify the rest of the roster that's clearly not good enough.