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A huge overtime victory in what was an excellent playoff hockey game.  Florida just doesn't stop playing their game.  Sunday at 3pm for the all important swing game. 

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 24, 2024, 02:09:08 PMThere isn't a soul here who doesn't want Neal to succeed (and I understand that you weren't saying otherwise). I think where fans might differ from one another is on the subject of how much rope to give him if he is bad early in the upcoming season.

If it were your decision, how long would you be willing to tolerate more bad play from him before making a change, knowing you have Eleumenor right there and that Eleumenor has already played RT at a demonstrably solid level for an NFL team over a meaningful sample size?

That's the thing, it's not my decision and I am unqualified to make that decision.  I just think that we, the fans, don't know anywhere near enough to judge whether his lack of success is due to him or the difficult situation he came into, having a bad coach and having to switch sides exacerbated by injury.  Hopefully the coaches do know enough, and I'm going to buy their judgement over fans on a fan forum - even fans on the best informed Giants' board.

Big, big win. I thought they really responded tonight. Looked so much better than game one. Florida is supremely tough though. Really need to get one of two down there now. A holiday weekend Sunday matinee win would be massive.

How'd you like those adjustments?

Magnificent game!!!

Goodrow with the winner, but the entire team brought the fight tonight. This was a most needed win and they've got it.

Now it's a five game series. Just get one in their building now is the task ahead.

Whew! What a game!

Peace!

We've seen the horrific stats about the amount of time DJ has had to throw before pressured or sacked, and I wonder if anyone can find those stats for his rookie year. 

For the hell of it I just watched a video of his rookie highlights and while granting they were highlights he was doing a lot of things that he supposedly now can't do - throwing the ball down the field, throwing guys open, putting the ball into tight spots, hitting guys in stride so they could get YAC, etc.  But I also noticed that his protection seemed to hold up better than it did in 2023, which seems to have been a tipping point. 

So I wonder if he really did have more time in the pocket in his rookie year or if that impression was just an artifact of watching a highlight video.  I do know that his rookie OL gave up just over half the number of sacks than the 2023 OL but I'd really like to compare those 'time to pressure' stats if anyone has them.

BTW, watching that video reminded me of what a beast Golden Tate was in getting YAC.  And how good Sterling Sharpe was back then.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on May 24, 2024, 02:26:56 PMYou know there's a quote function, right?

If you're not using it, I think it's rightly assumed you are addressing the Jones "haters".

As such, if you're addressing a wider group and using things like "would you be happy if he wasn't X, Y and Z". It appears you are rating everyone with the same brush as the silly BluesCruz comment - which the vast majority of the Jones critics refrain from.

Just food for thought; I'm not attacking you man and I enjoy your diametrically opposed views to mine and furthermore, I respect them.

Yeah, I know there's a quote function but it's impractical to quote several people.  If I make a general comment and someone decides it applies to them and gets defensive then that's on them, not me.

And for the record, I don't think there are Jones "haters" I think there are Jones detractors.  It's not the same thing.  I think detractors tend to minimize and hand wave away the tremendous barriers to success he has faced here by calling them excuses.  I've never even taken a strong pro-Jones position.  I am agnostic on the issue of whether he can be the guy, long term.  But I am cognizant that time passing is not evidence that he can't be the guy when in none of that passage of time has he had a chance to to have the support of a functional OL and WR corp and, until recently, decent coaching.

And just to take it off DJ for a moment, I see something similar with the Neal detractors.  Between injuries, having to change sides, and terrible coaching there have been some serious barriers to his success.  But some people are unwilling to recognize this and simply express the frustration of impatience.  At least in my opinion.

But we're all Giants fans here and we all, including (especially?) me, can cut each other a little more slack.

I gave them 8+ wins last year, I bet the over, confidently 
This year I cant give them more than 6, so I won't bet, unless the line is 8; in that case I will bet the under.. I doubt it though. I have not checked yet, but they would set it around 6 is what I think they would do.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 24, 2024, 02:09:08 PMIf it were your decision, how long would you be willing to tolerate more bad play from him before making a change

4 games. But they need to be dreadful