Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on Today at 02:26:56 PMYou know there's a quote function, right?

If you're not using it, I think it's rightly assumed you are addressing the Jones "haters".

As such, if you're addressing a wider group and using things like "would you be happy if he wasn't X, Y and Z". It appears you are rating everyone with the same brush as the silly BluesCruz comment - which the vast majority of the Jones critics refrain from.

Just food for thought; I'm not attacking you man and I enjoy your diametrically opposed views to mine and furthermore, I respect them.

Yeah, I know there's a quote function but it's impractical to quote several people.  If I make a general comment and someone decides it applies to them and gets defensive then that's on them, not me.

And for the record, I don't think there are Jones "haters" I think there are Jones detractors.  It's not the same thing.  I think detractors tend to minimize and hand wave away the tremendous barriers to success he has faced here by calling them excuses.  I've never even taken a strong pro-Jones position.  I am agnostic on the issue of whether he can be the guy, long term.  But I am cognizant that time passing is not evidence that he can't be the guy when in none of that passage of time has he had a chance to to have the support of a functional OL and WR corp and, until recently, decent coaching.

And just to take it off DJ for a moment, I see something similar with the Neal detractors.  Between injuries, having to change sides, and terrible coaching there have been some serious barriers to his success.  But some people are unwilling to recognize this and simply express the frustration of impatience.  At least in my opinion.

But we're all Giants fans here and we all, including (especially?) me, can cut each other a little more slack.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 01:57:00 PMSimply making the observation that stuff like this (1) is churned out by every beat writer of every team in the league this time of year and (2) has been proven time and again to have no consistent correlation to anything that happens when the games actually matter is not "getting a head start on criticizing" anyone. It's just making a factually accurate observation.

Further, I didn't tell anyone else how to process this and other info like it. I was simply stating my own stance towards it. I don't see why that needs to be attacked or falsely framed as "getting a head start on criticizing" players. That was not my intention at all.

You DO realize that other people were posting in the thread, and not every comment is addressed at/to you?  No need to get defensive.

Would some of you rather that Jones was throwing without accuracy or velocity?  He's doing very well in the context he's in, which is the most you can hope for.  There will be plenty of time to be critical if he doesn't sustain it as the context gets more challenging.  No need to get a head start on criticizing him by dismissing what he's doing.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on Today at 01:34:01 PMSome fans have mentioned that Daboll may be calling plays this year and endorsed as his job may be on the line.  By the same token, if he feels Neal should be the RT, should he not be given the same approval?

I'm not as down on Neal as some.  He had injury issues, was adjusting to moving to the right side, and had a terrible position coach.  That's a lot for a young man to overcome.

"How exactly it happened and what happened, I'm not sure I know and I'm not sure you know."

That was my favorite part.

Between the injuries and having to switch sides, I'm hopeful that it will come together for him. 

Quote from: uconnjack8 on May 23, 2024, 01:30:58 PMNo, just me being a jackass. The race is at Saratoga this year because Belmont is under construction.  The race is going to be 10 furlongs, not the usual 12 furlongs (which is what Secretariat ran). 

I did not know that so I'm glad I asked.  No jackassery on your part as far as I'm concerned.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on May 23, 2024, 06:56:29 AMI bet whoever wins the Belmont this year beats that time by 20 seconds.

?  Sarcasm?

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 21, 2024, 09:07:53 PMHe got overpaid. He's been bottom 3rd analytics wise the past 2 years. The Eagles overpaid for name recognition and what they think he can possibly do with their oline. Because it wasn't for what he's put on the field the past 2 years. His EPA, VOA, and every other offensive metric is ridiculously bad.

As @Painter has been pointing out from the very start, one of the things about Barkley is that he is a boom-bust runner.  A stat I've never seen, but would like to, is median yards per attempt.  My gut feeling is that it would give a sense of the RB's consistency and would be particularly useful in comparing backs to historically great back.  My other gut feeling is that Barkley would not rank very highly by this measure.

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on May 21, 2024, 07:17:58 PMYour obsessive agenda with distorting this team's history aside, this is a thread about Nabers' ability to perform despite the QB quality. It's not a referendum on whether the OL will play as poorly or any better than last season.

They brought in a couple of vets and are hoping for good health from Thomas and growth from JMS. The assumption is the OL will be somewhat better. The question is how Nabers will perform assuming the current QBs play below par. Is he QB proof?

Step away from your canned answers and think about the thread's premise for once.

Saying the OL played poorly during OBJ's 3 glory years is distorting the team's history. 

One man's canned answers is another man's documented facts.

Quote from: BluesCruz on May 21, 2024, 12:37:54 PMHope your feeling better Rich

I don't know, he certainly had a very different backstory and college career
Maybe he will be another Tommy DeVito story- who also had a cirtuitous college career.

I'd lot rather he have a Victor Cruz story.

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on May 21, 2024, 06:35:47 PMGood point. OBJ was lethal for 3+ years regardless of how poorly the OL played.

See my post above.  The OL was nowhere poor in his 3 glory years.  League rankings of a top 10 and 2 top 5s in fewest sacks allowed.

I guess memories are something else that needs to get fact checked, besides the eye test.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 21, 2024, 05:02:36 PMOur O line was never good when OBJ was on the Giants. It has been varying degrees of bad since the 2012 season.

Really?  In his first 3 years, which were his best 3 years, the Giants were 9th in fewest sacks, t4 in fewest sacks, and t3 in fewest sacks.  They've never come close to this proficiency in pass blocking in the post-Eli period, during which their league ranking in sacks allowed averaged 26th fewest.  Even in OBJ's 2 good years after his injury year the OL was middle of the road, 22nd and 19th - rankings that would mark a huge improvement if they were able to achieve that this year.

Quote from: Trench on May 20, 2024, 11:48:31 PMI think it seemed better because he threw it downfield more and made more plays.

And that's the problem with the eye test, when it isn't fact checked by measurables.

Quote from: BluesCruz on May 20, 2024, 05:54:35 PMThey seemed a lot better blocking for Tommy D

Perhaps they raise their game a bit for a decent QB......not a guy afraid to let the ball fly

That's funny, since with better personnel (Thomas and Pugh) they gave up a higher percentage of sacks when he was under center than they did when DJ was under center.