Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: T200 on December 23, 2022, 09:03:19 AMI may have to take a Moderator Holiday just so I can enjoy it!!!     

   

I'll fill in for ya!!! 🤣🤣

Quote from: TrueBlueFan on December 23, 2022, 08:54:23 AMAt the end of the day, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks or doesn't thinks.

These beat writers have zero influence if he stays or goes. JS & Dabs will decide that, the reports both for and against, are in no place to determine how likely something is to happen. The ones that are, will make that call, within the next couple of months. They don't care what side of it we are all on, they are on the side they are and will act accordingly. Some of us will like it, some of us won't, we will see what is what soon enough.

Exactly!

500 posts and pages of debate here also have ZERO influence on what happens.

JS and Dabs will make the call and then 1/2 will bitch and 1/2 will gloat

Quote from: T200 on December 23, 2022, 07:53:22 AMEither way, it's approaching midnight and we're going to find out Schoen's decision soon enough. Sadly, it will just trigger a new round of Jones debates.

That is going to be make some popcorn and get ready to read stuff!

Quote from: T200 on December 22, 2022, 02:39:59 PMI'm pleased with his performance this year, all things offense considered. I'm fine with his being a game manager, making good decisions (for the most part) and his legs aren't to be dismissed.

Aside from limiting the turnovers, my biggest question mark for him this season was his health. He checked that box for me.

We know from under PS he can air the ball out and make the throws!  Nothing has changed physically that anyone is aware of to prove otherwise.

So the big question becomes (which we can't get answered) is it the coaching staff holding him back from doing so, is the WRs the issue (yet look at the bomb to Slay a few weeks back) or is he just gun shy and won't throw it?

I think if we had that answered it could answer and clear up a lot

Quote from: AYM on December 22, 2022, 10:27:21 AMHis offensive line is definitely far worse this year. Pugh, Hernandez, Billy Price, Max Garcia - we've seen that show and it isn't good.

Can't disagree but in his years prior they have been better then us.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 22, 2022, 10:21:48 AMNot that is the be-all and end-all of pass pro evaluation, but AZ is just above the Giants, giving up 2.9 sacks per game compared to 3.1 for the Giants.  And our guys have done a better job in run blocking at 4.6 YPC compared to AZ's 4.3.

Better pass blocking + better receivers = better success

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 22, 2022, 10:02:16 AMI think Jones has the longer NFL career than Murray despite Murray being more talented.  Jones being a hard working good guy who has shown he can be an efficient game manager will last longer in the NFL.

Murray should have stuck with baseball I don't think mentally he is good enough or strong enough.

When this contract is up I wouldn't be shocked if he tries to keep his career going by going to play baseball professionally

Murray has had better skill players to throw to I believe!

OLINE probably equal to ours maybe slightly better but not by much.

22-30 mill a year on avg yikes

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 21, 2022, 10:17:23 AMThe 2017 draft was thought to be a weak draft for QB's yet Mahomes went 10th and Watson went 12th.  You never know and there isn't an exact science to it.  You would just have to hope that if this Giants regime does go QB in the 1st round of the 2023 draft that they end up with the right guy.

Exactly!  A lot more luck I think goes into this sometimes than anything else.

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 21, 2022, 09:09:54 AMThis is true, and Jones may very well be the best of the bunch that year.

1   1   Arizona Cardinals   Kyler Murray †   QB   Oklahoma   
1   6   New York Giants   Daniel Jones    QB   Duke   ACC   
1   15   Washington Redskins   Dwayne Haskins    QB   Ohio State   
2   42   Denver Broncos   Drew Lock    QB   Missouri   SEC   
3*   100   Carolina Panthers   Will Grier    QB   West Virginia   

   

Just goes to show the best in each draft doesn't = success!

We can do worse! 

Is this upcoming draft comparable better or worse than the draft above??

https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2022/12/19/phil-simms-david-tryee-believe-daniel-jones-should-be-new-york-giants-qb-2023/

https://twitter.com/PhilSimmsQB/status/1604667261045841920

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 19, 2022, 09:31:20 AMI think they will believe he has more upside. I see a QB who will help the Giants have winning records and make the playoffs some years. I don't see the Giants dominating unless he proves he can make big plays downfield. However there is clearly an influence on him as he goes for the safe option.

I wonder...

DJ went through 3 HCs - 4 different OCs.

Mara admits we screwed this kid up.

Is this years plan a safe plan to rebuild him and his confidence?

Are the Giants playing it safe, to rebuild him knowing this years wins/losses really don't matter long term?

Rebuild him mentally, have him gain confidence, surround him with better targets next year and then start to open it up and let him loosen up a bit?

Idk

Just a thought!!!

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 19, 2022, 08:59:47 AMHe did what he had to do to win managing the game.  Giants formula for winning is with their running game, not turning over the ball and playing great defense.

Mistake free football is what the Giants need to have a chance and HOPE to win.

Quote from: T200 on December 19, 2022, 08:36:57 AMHe's entitled to his opinion.

My point is that regardless of the ranking of Jones in the eyes of fans, he's an important part of the team and he's shown that the Giants can win with him at QB. There is no tried and true formula for winning a SB. It's Schoen's and Daboll's job to find a winning recipe. I don't have a problem if Jones is a key ingredient. I don't have a problem if they decide to move on from him. But bashing this guy left and right is comical at this point.

Bingo!

It's not up to us fans as much as we want to believe it is!

Our opinions don't mean diddly poo!

JS and Dabs will decide and we will all continue to root for the name on the helmet not the name on the back of the jersey!

JS has shown enough so far to of earned our trust.

It's only fair to put our personal opinions/bias aside and entrust the process whichever way that goes