Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: AP44 on December 19, 2022, 08:33:07 AMThe poster is on record from another board saying Mike Glennon is better than Joe Burrow.       

He's entitled to his opinion.

My point is that regardless of the ranking of Jones in the eyes of fans, he's an important part of the team and he's shown that the Giants can win with him at QB. There is no tried and true formula for winning a SB. It's Schoen's and Daboll's job to find a winning recipe. I don't have a problem if Jones is a key ingredient. I don't have a problem if they decide to move on from him. But bashing this guy left and right is comical at this point.

Quote from: T200 on December 19, 2022, 08:36:57 AMHe's entitled to his opinion.

My point is that regardless of the ranking of Jones in the eyes of fans, he's an important part of the team and he's shown that the Giants can win with him at QB. There is no tried and true formula for winning a SB. It's Schoen's and Daboll's job to find a winning recipe. I don't have a problem if Jones is a key ingredient. I don't have a problem if they decide to move on from him. But bashing this guy left and right is comical at this point.

Thats a really good point. I have no problem people saying we need to upgrade. I would actually tend to agree. But he has been an integral part of a lot of our wins.

Quote from: T200 on December 19, 2022, 08:36:57 AMHe's entitled to his opinion.

My point is that regardless of the ranking of Jones in the eyes of fans, he's an important part of the team and he's shown that the Giants can win with him at QB. There is no tried and true formula for winning a SB. It's Schoen's and Daboll's job to find a winning recipe. I don't have a problem if Jones is a key ingredient. I don't have a problem if they decide to move on from him. But bashing this guy left and right is comical at this point.

Bingo!

It's not up to us fans as much as we want to believe it is!

Our opinions don't mean diddly poo!

JS and Dabs will decide and we will all continue to root for the name on the helmet not the name on the back of the jersey!

JS has shown enough so far to of earned our trust.

It's only fair to put our personal opinions/bias aside and entrust the process whichever way that goes

Quote from: AP44 on December 19, 2022, 08:28:11 AMIt's amazing after a big time win last night, we still have to read posts degrading the QB. And I was told I was the one with the agenda....

Pointing out the Giants haven't been a high productive offense this season just like last season is not strictly targeted at one player but rather the entire unit as to play calling/scheme not being the issue.  It's lack of overall talent.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 19, 2022, 08:50:48 AMPointing out the Giants haven't been a high productive offense this season just like last season is not strictly targeted at one player but rather the entire unit as to play calling/scheme not being the issue.  It's lack of overall talent.

There were two posters who specifically mentioned Jones and his stat lines last night and this morning as a means of degrading his performance.

Jones played a better game last night. The quick passes were the key for Jones' success and the Line did a decent job with Bredeson an upgrade at LG. Jones made some nice passes and a few off target passes. He also checked down when the Right WR had beaten his man on a go route. Overall he had a solid game. Still 13 points of Offensive is nothing to thump the chest over.

It's clear that Barkley is the face of this franchise and it was underscored when NBC highlighted the matchup with a shot of Heineke and SB. That's the impression the rest of the league has.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 19, 2022, 08:56:16 AMJones played a better game last night. The quick passes were the key for Jones' success and the Line did a decent job with Bredeson an upgrade at LG. Jones made some nice passes and a few off target passes. He also checked down when the Right WR had beaten his man on a go route. Overall he had a solid game. Still 13 points of Offensive is nothing to thump the chest over.

It's clear that Barkley is the face of this franchise and it was underscored when NBC highlighted the matchup with a shot of Heineke and SB. That's the impression the rest of the league has.

He did what he had to do to win managing the game.  Giants formula for winning is with their running game, not turning over the ball and playing great defense.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 19, 2022, 08:59:47 AMHe did what he had to do to win managing the game.  Giants formula for winning is with their running game, not turning over the ball and playing great defense.

Mistake free football is what the Giants need to have a chance and HOPE to win.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 19, 2022, 08:59:47 AMHe did what he had to do to win managing the game.  Giants formula for winning is with their running game, not turning over the ball and playing great defense.

I think he should also have a good PFF grade. He's finally sniffing playoffs and he has the support of the majority of the sportswriters and ex players. Like I've said, they will look to have him back next year. He hasn't given them a reason to definitely move on.

https://nypost.com/2022/12/19/giants-daniel-jones-can-smell-playoffs-after-years-of-misery/amp/

 
Just for the record I was making a different point that Burrow is not elite (but a good top 10 QB) and playing with some great wide receivers. He would n't be worse than Glennon but, I was saying if Glennon was on the Bengals and Burrow on the Giants last year--he would not be considered elite at all.

Although he has impressed me more this season than he did in all of his play off games last year. He is really moving around the pcoket well and passing , and I enjoy watching him more this year than last year. Glennon really needs a pocket and a good oline. He was not a good fit here and, a much better QB than he showed here. His reads deep are half ass and his accuracy short passes are inconsistent. Kind of pathetic that my only hope for the Giants last year was a cinderalla story. Leave it this guy to never let me forget it. He thinks it's important to be a smart football fan. Newsflash buddy .... Mara would rather have a bunch of rich wall street traders spending lavishly in his press boxes who could not name one player than some big fan type who works in a parking lot and dedicates their whole life to spouting off football stats on call in sports shows.
 

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 19, 2022, 09:14:38 AMI think he should also have a good PFF grade. He's finally sniffing playoffs and he has the support of the majority of the sportswriters and ex players. Like I've said, they will look to have him back next year. He hasn't given them a reason to definitely move on.

https://nypost.com/2022/12/19/giants-daniel-jones-can-smell-playoffs-after-years-of-misery/amp/

The reason to move on IMO will be impacted by whether the front office has identified a QB in next spring's draft they want to target.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 19, 2022, 09:23:59 AMThe reason to move on IMO will be impacted by whether the front office has identified a QB in next spring's draft they want to target.

I think they will believe he has more upside. I see a QB who will help the Giants have winning records and make the playoffs some years. I don't see the Giants dominating unless he proves he can make big plays downfield. However there is clearly an influence on him as he goes for the safe option.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 19, 2022, 09:31:20 AMI think they will believe he has more upside. I see a QB who will help the Giants have winning records and make the playoffs some years. I don't see the Giants dominating unless he proves he can make big plays downfield. However there is clearly an influence on him as he goes for the safe option.

I wonder...

DJ went through 3 HCs - 4 different OCs.

Mara admits we screwed this kid up.

Is this years plan a safe plan to rebuild him and his confidence?

Are the Giants playing it safe, to rebuild him knowing this years wins/losses really don't matter long term?

Rebuild him mentally, have him gain confidence, surround him with better targets next year and then start to open it up and let him loosen up a bit?

Idk

Just a thought!!!

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 19, 2022, 09:31:20 AMI think they will believe he has more upside. I see a QB who will help the Giants have winning records and make the playoffs some years. I don't see the Giants dominating unless he proves he can make big plays downfield. However there is clearly an influence on him as he goes for the safe option.

If this was the regime that drafted him I would agree with this.  But the fact that he isn't their guy that they drafted that they have invested their tenures on tells me that what's out there for next spring's draft will determine the direction they go in.

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 19, 2022, 09:36:41 AMI wonder...

DJ went through 3 HCs - 4 different OCs.

Mara admits we screwed this kid up.

Is this years plan a safe plan to rebuild him and his confidence?

Are the Giants playing it safe, to rebuild him knowing this years wins/losses really don't matter long term?

Rebuild him mentally, have him gain confidence, surround him with better targets next year and then start to open it up and let him loosen up a bit?

Idk

Just a thought!!!

Since the day he was hired Schoen has mentioned "Compete today and Build for tomorrow." As his team building mantra.  Going with a game plan formula to win games has allowed the Giants to compete for today.  I don't believe that holding Jones back would build for tomorrow if they felt he was capable of being their guy.  If anything I think they would want to have him take more chances and learn from that.

Simply amazing to me of all the current and former sports stars over the years that have come and gone in NY: Eli, Jacob Degrom , Aaron Judge , Patrick Ewing Charles Oakley; all of these guys with the exception of maybe Oakley were championship caliber players that fan bases were either apathetic about them leaving or I talk to some Yankee fans and they didn't want to re-sign Judge because of his play off performance.

But Daniel Jones holy! heaven forbid you want to move on from some guy who I cannot think of one starting QB from yersterday's 1:00 eastern time games that I would not rather have on the Giants including the milf man Zak Wilson. I watched these guys on NFL network -- where they show multiple games -- all of them -- make throws where I was like " wow I have not seen Daniel Jones make a throw like that!"

But for some reason no one wants to give up on a guy where it so obvious without Barkley playing like a Hall of famer and without a defense getting constant pressure and causing turnovers and defensive TDs -- this guy really sucks and is incapable of winning anything. He had all the time in the world yesterday--I don't think he got sacked once--yet sure enough he was throwing 90mph fastballs from 5 yards away that no one can catch and not looking down field at all.