Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: DragonSoul on October 09, 2023, 11:21:45 AMThat is also my concern to a degree (Ala David Carr). But he was getting killed since joining the team and last year he did his best with what he had he. He may still be able to salvage it if they fix the line by next year. Otherwise there is only so much someone can take.

The things is the Jones haters would be the first ones to throw a block party when we draft a new QB next season.  The problem is with the line being trash the way it is, we are on the same road of screwing the development of that kid.

Fans here don't realize how tough DJ is with his size and build.  Now you put a smaller QB in there in this trash of an oline and that kid will be on the IR by week 5.

On a side note, why TF is Bobby Johnson still a coach for this team.  You figure given how bad this oline is on epic proportions he would have been given the pink slip already.  Back up DEs and DTs are teeing off our QB looking like the next coming of LT against our oline.  I swear if anything, these bums are dogging it out there.

The simple assignment of picking up a twist looks like advance calculus for our guys.

For those that are thinking plugging in a new QB is going to make a world of difference, you are flat out delusional.

I'm not saying Jones is the guy, but thinking throwing in a younger guy behind this line will just kill his psyche more than anything.

Quote from: True Blue on October 08, 2023, 08:37:23 PMIf these excuses about his internal clock have any merit, then he needs to go elsewhere or retire. He should not be getting paid like he is if he is mentally incapable anymore of playing the position at an NFL level.

Bro, as great as Brady was when they went 18-1, admit it or not but our pass rush rattled him.

The oline has been so bad on epic proportions its on a whole new level of bad.  Like giving up 30 more sacks than the Texans when defenses were teeing off David Carr bad.  It's either they are dogging it or something is flat out wrong in that locker room.  Our oline arguably is more talented than last year but has been piss poor and way worse than last year.

At this rate, we're looking at Tommy DeVito is going to be on the injury report sometime this year kind of bad.

 

At this point like Carr, DJ's internal is off.  Even on moments where he gets protection, he rushes the throw - case in point that miss on Wandale that should have been a first down and more.

On another note - makes you wonder running a "soft" did not help this team one bit.

Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 05:10:41 PMIf you could ask the Beat writers a question to pose what would it be?

1. Did any of you ask what is going on with Hyatt?...we were told if you make plays you see the field. He made some plays in previous games but I didn't even remember seeing his jersey today.

2. Why did we wait so long to remove Ezudu

Exactly.  The moment DJ gets hurt they sub in Peart.

1.  Why is there a lack of effort on the oline.  It's like these guys are not even trying block.  Even the center looks like a turnstile.

2.  Why is it when DJ got hurt we finally started calling seam routes for Waller - where was this all season?

3. Why didn't you call timeout when the defense looks lost presnap before Hill caught that long TD.  Secondly, why was McKinney on no man's land in that play.

4. Why hasn't Bobby Johnson been given the pink slip yet.  2 first round picks, 1 second, 4 3rd round picks and still looks like trash.  One offseason with Neal and to rookie class last year and they look significantly worse than last year.  It's not talent anymore at this point it's coaching or lack there of.

Now they actually playing with effort and calling better plays with DJ on the sideline.

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 02, 2023, 11:21:06 PMEleven sacks. Wrap your head around that. He's not the worst problem.

That said, this season isn't going to bode well for Daboll, Schoen and Jones. If they have a top five pick, as it looks now, they draft a QB.

Dont know if this was thrown out there since Ive been staying off the boards ever since the Cowboys debacle.

How about Schoen admits he missed on Neal - that Neal is not a tackle and slide him to Guard.  Move Euzudu to RT.

At this point Jones lookes rattled because of the oline.  Heck even Brady had a hard time executing when our pass rush got to him on Superbowl 42.

On another note, why is Bobby Johnson not being held accountable.  Top 7 pick in Neal, 2nd round pick in JMS, 3rd round in Euzudu and the line is trash.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on August 05, 2023, 07:08:38 PMAnd that was just a trotting type speed for him.

He is dusting DBs running on 2nd gear.  Imagine when he is motivated to pour it against another team (IE Dallas week 1).

I want him to go for 2 deep tds catching safeties flat footed and putting the league on notice that he and the Giants offense are for real this season.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 19, 2023, 10:42:17 AMCowherd has always been real with his opinion and can you blame him? Until the last 5 games can you say Jones was really wowing anyone, I can't. Yes he has flourished the past 5 games and Cowherd acknowledges that but doesn't ignore the past 3 1/2 years of football, he also sees the Daboll effect especially on Josh Allen now that he's not there and realizes coaching is a real thing. There is no denying Jones is playing like a fringe top 10 Qb right now but those games were against the Commanders who he is always comfortable with, a dysfunctional Colts teams, and a Vikings team with the worst passing D twice. He still did what was asked but to act like he's now the end all be all for beating bad teams and calling out critics is a little rushed. Do I think he's the immediate future yes, but the beginning and middle of this season were still huge question marks about him as a Qb. I'm glad he's come on, but we can't all act like he was doing this all season because he wasn't, yes he was taking care of the ball but our 1st half offense was nonexistent for most of the season besides the Jacksonville game, and we had trouble Sustaining a drive much less multiple, so I'm excited for his growth, and glad it's showing, but still think we can be a little grounded in realizing that he just started flashing a hand full of games ago and before that he was definitely still a question mark.

My gripe with Cowherd is basically he is saying that DJ is nothing but an "average" type player - athleticism and arm talent wise.

He's always had that talent because if not they would not be calling design runs for him.  He's shown us that even his rookie year - his legs has always been a part of his skillset.  Arm talent wise, wouldn't you agree that DJ has at least above average arm talent?  Just the throws he made vs the Vikes - that sideline throw to Hodgins sliding to his left or even that throw to Slayton at the corner of the endzone.  Dan pointed out in their breakdown with Nick that he put the a catachable ball for Slayton to make a play without having his feet set to step into the throw.  If we had a stud WR that may even be 6.

What DJ has not had is competent coaching and it shows on the tape.  There were plays where the defense were baiting DJ into throws that might lead to turnovers and he simply looked away.  Not forcing the ball or trying to play hero ball in the endozne on a close game.  Even taking the sack while trying to milk the clock to end the game - those are high IQ plays for him.  That's what this coaching staff has developed into DJ.

Has DJ reached his ceiling?  I would argue not yet.  Let's keep in mind we are still in year 1 of a new offensive scheme and with sub standard talent at WR.  Our offense can only continue to get better when we get more pieces to run the scheme and with better familiarity with the scheme.

Quote from: Rambo89 on January 19, 2023, 06:58:32 AMWith how Jones, Lawrence and Thomas are playing I'm not sure they'll be able to keep Barkley let alone sign Higgins.  Wouldn't shock me if Lawrence got close to Aaron Donald money and Jones with how he's playing is going to be in that $35-$40 million AAV range.  Giants best bet for a WR is going to have to come via the draft, IMO.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space

2023 might have little to none wiggle room, but if you look at the 2024 cap space, that's about 179.8M workable cap space.  Let say DJ and Saquon take up about 50-53M AAV, we would have about 124.8M still available. 

https://overthecap.com/position/left-tackle
Top salary for LT is 23M and 31M for DT, that's 54M AAV if we retain those 2. 

This is where Joe will have to work his magic.  If he can manage to negotiate with our homegrown talent and take team friendly deals even at 10% discount - that's 100M for our 4 top players.  That's 79.8M alloted for the rest of the roster.  Hopefully, as what we have seen thus far, the general tendency is that the overall cap space has risen over time which should offset the big hit those guys will take in our the team's cap.

And like I said, at this time, trading for Higgins is a pipe dream that's if we don't take a WR in the early rounds.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on January 18, 2023, 11:15:19 PMSadly, not only is it Nick Wright, but also Colin Cowherd has just come out and said DJ is only a C QB at best.

Not even a C+ or B-, but only a C.

Obviously, he is entitled to his opinion, but DJ is the 7th ranked QB in QBR and 13th in RTG.

He also dismisses his 7 rushing TD's, and over 700 yards rushing.

In any event, I used to like Cowherd, but I'm starting to lose respect for his opinion.

Here is the link to the show down below, let's see what happens Saturday night

Cowherd


 

Goes to show you they don't really watch the games.  If they did this clown would clearly see we've really opened up the playbook like a month ago.  It's ok if they keep harping at DJ's stats and argue that we won't be a playoff team next year.  DJ is more than happy to serve these clowns some crow and humble pie.

Imagine Wan'Dale and possibly another stud WR in this offense.  I know it's a pipe dream, but imagine if Schoen trades for Higgins since the Bengals can't pay him, Burrow and Chase at the same time?  That quick shot in the back of the endzone, if that's Higgins catching the ball thats a TD.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 16, 2023, 04:46:19 PMhttps://twitter.com/danschneiernfl/status/1615027970497708033

If we have a WR like Metcal, DHop, JJ, Diggs thats 6 right there

Quote from: TDToomer on January 16, 2023, 06:24:27 PMExactly. Who the hell is Nick Wright and why should we care about his opinion? I have never heard of him.

Kurt Warner said the Giants should lose by 14 points on the NFL Network pregame coverage yesterday. I await his apology.

Kurt is just bitter he had to give way to Eli 

Quote from: sxdxca38 on January 16, 2023, 05:18:26 PMI take that back, Nick Wright has decided to double down on his position that DJ is still not a good QB.

He then proceeds to say he only threw 15 TDs on the year, and completely dismisses the 7 rushing TD's he brought to the table.

You can see the clip here, if you go to the 3:10 time stamp

Nick Wright clip

That's the problem, people actually listen to this clown and believes he makes a fair assessment.

This clown is the same guy who argued that Lawrence rookie year doesn't count because of who was his head coach last year and should be given rookie of the year this year.

Who has been coaching DJ the past 2 years before Daboll/Kafka got here that actually made him regressed instead of develop as a young player.