There was a time the Republican party stood up for democracy. No more. They are a clear minority in terms of numbers and that has them in a panic mode. So they align themselves with a man who is a habitual liar and abandoned their core principles. And now they are trying to limit voting access in hopes to quell what they have lost in numbers. It is apparent, they no longer believe in democracy. Sad and a very danger to the future of our country.
I guess when you are robbing Americans of their Constitutional rights, violating a few more provisions of the Constitution would simply be par for the course
QuoteFlorida Gov. Ron DeSantis not only broke from decades of precedent on Thursday when he blocked all news outlets except Fox News from covering the signing of a voting bill into law. He also may have violated the U.S. Constitution.
That
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 07, 2021, 11:43:32 AM
I guess when you are robbing Americans of their Constitutional rights, violating a few more provisions of the Constitution would simply be par for the course
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2021/05/07/did-desantis-violate-first-amendment-with-fox-news-only-bill-signing/
Rich: Don't fall for that old trick. They want you to talk about an issue that's unimportant in the great scheme of things, rather than the substance of the law he enacted (with which you disagree). Both sides do it. Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on May 07, 2021, 11:55:35 AM
Rich: Don't fall for that old trick. They want you to talk about an issue that's unimportant in the great scheme of things, rather than the substance of the law he enacted (with which you disagree). Both sides do it. Bob
Bob,
I know for a fact that the GOP, where they have the power to do so, has been robbing people (focusing on minorities and the poor) of their right to vote for political gain by creating needless obstacles to voting (just like the old poll taxes or literacy tests). They know their toxic mixture of far-right politics and worship of Donald Trump will always be offensive to a majority of Americans. So their tactic isn't to change to be more appealing to America, buts to rob people of their right to vote. The GOP's clear goal is to be a dictatorship of the minority. Sure they will use the anti-American lies about a stolen election as cover for their heinous act, but the majority of American's see through their lies and deceptions. Not that it isn't already clear the GOP doesn't give a crap about what the majority of Americans think or want. The only thing they care about is what THEY want.
Frankly, I am shocked that you think such serious actions that threaten our nation's democracy and very foundations is "unimportant"
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 07, 2021, 12:03:15 PM
Bob,
I know for a fact that the GOP, where they have the power to do so, has been robbing people (focusing on minorities and the poor) of their right to vote for political gain by creating needless obstacles to voting (just like the old poll taxes or literacy tests). They know their toxic mixture of far-right politics and worship of Donald Trump will always be offensive to a majority of Americans. So their tactic isn't to change to be more appealing to America, buts to rob people of their right to vote. The GOP's clear goal isn't to be a dictatorship of the minority. Sure they will use the anti-American lies about a stolen election as cover for their heinous act, but the majority of American's see through their lies and deceptions. Not that it isn't already clear the GOP doesn't give a crap about what the majority of Americans think or want. The only thing they care about is what THEY want.
Frankly, I am shocked that you think such serious actions that threaten our nation's democracy and very foundations is "unimportant"
Rich: You may have misread my note. I'm saying the substantive issues of the bill are more important that who they invited to witness the signing on TV. Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on May 07, 2021, 12:19:17 PM
Rich: You may have misread my note. I'm saying the substantive issues of the bill are more important that who they invited to witness the signing on TV. Bob
It's a pattern of anti-American constitutional violations. What really is troublesome is that the GOP packed the Supreme Court with far-right judges who value political gain over protecting our Constitution or the American people. Remember a more moderate court that was still controlled by Republicans gutted the Civil rights era voting act claiming actions, like we have seen in FL, GA, and other states, would never happen again. In bygone days I took comfort in knowing the Supreme Court would stop such naken anti-American/anti-democracy power grabs. Not anymore, as long as the GOP is the ones doing it, I doubt their packed court will do anything to protect the American people or our democracy.
Of course when you are trying to destroy a democracy one of the first things you do is attack the free press, which is exactly what Ron Desantis of guilty of doing.
Sadly, I fear Ronald Reagan was correct:
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 07, 2021, 12:29:51 PM
It's a pattern of anti-American constitutional violations. What really is troublesome is that the GOP packed the Supreme Court with far-right judges who value political gain over protecting our Constitution or the American people. Remember a more moderate court that was still controlled by Republicans gutted the Civil rights era voting act claiming actions, like we have seen in FL, GA, and other states, would never happen again. In bygone days I took comfort in knowing the Supreme Court would stop such naken anti-American/anti-democracy power grabs. Not anymore, as long as the GOP is the ones doing it, I doubt their packed court will do anything to protect the American people or our democracy.
Of course when you are trying to destroy a democracy one of the first things you do is attack the free press, which is exactly what Ron Desantis of guilty of doing.
Sadly, I fear Ronald Reagan was correct:
Quote from: Bob In PA on May 07, 2021, 12:35:52 PM
Rich: I'm sure President Trump would agree with what you wrote. In fact, IMO, you sound a lot like him. I'd only have to change a few words. LOL Bob
Are you referring to the twice popular voting losing, twice impeached former President who is guilty of twice trying to overthrow our government (with the second one inciting a violent attack on our nation's capital)?
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 07, 2021, 12:59:53 PM
Are you referring to the twice popular voting losing, twice impeached former President who is guilty of twice trying to overthrow our government (with the second one inciting a violent attack on our nation's capital)?
Rich: Yes. That "President Trump."
Quote from: Bob In PA on May 07, 2021, 04:54:24 PM
Rich: Yes. That "President Trump."
Bob,
I notice you really are trying hard to distract/change the subject. This is an extremely serious threat to our nation, it would seem to be worthy of actually discussing. I see TX Republicans are joining the Republicans of Georgia and Florida in their effort to destroy our democracy (no doubt AZ Republicans will join them in their coup d'etat)
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 08, 2021, 08:09:00 AM
Bob,
I notice you really are trying hard to distract/change the subject. This is an extremely serious threat to our nation, it would seem to be worthy of actually discussing. I see TX Republicans are joining the Republicans of Georgia and Florida in their effort to destroy our democracy (no doubt AZ Republicans will join them in their coup d'etat)
Rich: Like many Democrats (Republicans do it, too) you seek to accuse me of doing what you're doing. Tell me how the following response seeks to change the subject:
I'm sure President Trump would agree with what you wrote. In fact, IMO, you sound a lot like him. I'd only have to change a few words. First, I agreed with your statement.
Next, I noted that it sounded like something Trump would say (meaning that, if I changed the words "right" to "left" and "D" to "R" etc., the statement would also be true). By definition, the subject remained the same.
Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on May 08, 2021, 08:40:44 AM
Rich: Like many Democrats (Republicans do it, too) you seek to accuse me of doing what you're doing. Tell me how the following response seeks to change the subject:
I'm sure President Trump would agree with what you wrote. In fact, IMO, you sound a lot like him. I'd only have to change a few words. First, I agreed with your statement.
Next, I noted that it sounded like something Trump would say (meaning that, if I changed the words "right" to "left" and "D" to "R" etc., the statement would also be true). By definition, the subject remained the same.
Bob
Not addressing the topic, didn't exactly prove you are notrefusing to address the topic
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 08, 2021, 09:07:59 AM
Not addressing the topic, didn't exactly prove you are notrefusing to address the topic
Rich: OK, in the interest of avoiding further deliberation on THAT, I'll address the original post.
There was a time the Republican party stood up for democracy. No more.
This is just political pap. Meaningless. Both sides say the same about each other EVERY DAY. They are a clear minority in terms of numbers and that has them in a panic mode.
In case you don't know, the Democrats are also a minority. Numbers of independents grow daily. There is no majority party.So they align themselves with a man who is a habitual liar and abandon their core principles.
This also applies to Joe Biden. If you can't see how or why, then you are a lost cause, a victim of the mainstream media.And now they are trying to limit voting access....
They ARE trying to limit voting access... by dead people, non-citizens, people who vote more than once, and anyone else not entitled to vote.
It is apparent, they no longer believe in democracy. Sad and a very danger to the future of our country.
More pap. Meaningless. You watch too much TV.Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on May 08, 2021, 09:28:05 AM
And now they are trying to limit voting access.... They ARE trying to limit voting access... by dead people, non-citizens, people who vote more than once, and anyone else not entitled to vote.
Bob
We have more mass shootings every 3 months than we do people who fit the "problem" you claim exists. Yet the GOP refuses to do anything about the mass shootings but is gleefully putting up barriers to vote based on their likely hood of not voting for the minority Republican Party.
If all your other claims were actually TRUE, the GOP wouldn't be trampling on the voting rights of the American people and destroying our democracy. The GOP is only attacking our nation because they refuse to become a party the American people find appealing. The GOP has morphed into a party that worships the criminal Donald Trump. What's worth, many see Trump for the monster that he is, but they feel their path to power and money goes through him so they get in bed with the devil.
I notice your fake "Americans being canceled website" doesn't mention Liz Cheney someone the GOP is canceling for literally telling the truth and putting Country before Donald Trump.
Edit to add: Bob, I am a bit surprised that you would sink so low as to push the GOP's anti-American voter fraud lies.
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 08, 2021, 09:39:23 AM
We have more mass shootings every 3 months than we do people who fit the "problem" you claim exists. Yet the GOP refuses to do anything about the mass shootings but is gleefully putting up barriers to vote based on their likely hood of not voting for the minority Republican Party.
If all your other claims were actually TRUE, the GOP wouldn't be trampling on the voting rights of the American people and destroying our democracy. The GOP is only attacking our nation because they refuse to become a party the American people find appealing. The GOP has morphed into a party that worships the criminal Donald Trump. What's worth, many see Trump for the monster that he is, but they feel their path to power and money goes through him so they get in bed with the devil.
I notice your fake "Americans being canceled website" doesn't mention Liz Cheney someone the GOP is canceling for literally telling the truth and putting Country before Donald Trump.
Edit to add: Bob, I am a bit surprised that you would sink so low as to push the GOP's anti-American voter fraud lies.
Rich: Don't change the subject. Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on May 08, 2021, 11:09:20 AM
Rich: Don't change the subject. Bob
How am I changing the subject?
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 08, 2021, 11:23:46 AM
How am I changing the subject?
Rich: You're not. Neither was I. LOL
Quote from: Bob In PA on May 08, 2021, 11:36:49 AM
Rich: .... and I'm truly troubled that you are willing to stay silent while the Democrats destroy our country. Query: what purpose do posts like this one and your last one serve? Proposed answer: none at all. Bob
Bob,
Bob,
Your purpose is to normalize the horrible actions of the GOP. That
Quote from: Bob In PA on May 08, 2021, 09:28:05 AM
Rich: OK, in the interest of avoiding further deliberation on THAT, I'll address the original post.
There was a time the Republican party stood up for democracy. No more. This is just political pap. Meaningless. Both sides say the same about each other EVERY DAY.
They are a clear minority in terms of numbers and that has them in a panic mode. In case you don't know, the Democrats are also a minority. Numbers of independents grow daily. There is no majority party.
So they align themselves with a man who is a habitual liar and abandon their core principles. This also applies to Joe Biden. If you can't see how or why, then you are a lost cause, a victim of the mainstream media.
And now they are trying to limit voting access.... They ARE trying to limit voting access... by dead people, non-citizens, people who vote more than once, and anyone else not entitled to vote.
It is apparent, they no longer believe in democracy. Sad and a very danger to the future of our country. More pap. Meaningless. You watch too much TV.
Bob
Bob, you are smooth. Were/are you a salesman? Because you do know how to try to sell. No matter if what you are selling his junk.
Limiting voting rights because of bogus allegations spread by propaganda media like Fox and Newmax that dead people are voting is absurd. You know very well why they are limiting access to voting for many. Don't even go there, Bob. You are "watching too much TV."
When is the last time a Republican won the popular vote to the White House. Almost 20 years now. And the gap is growing. Independents are closer aligned to democrats thanks to the silly social wars the Republicans continue to press proving they are a thing of the past.
Did I miss something. Joe Biden lied about an election? He led his followers to storm the U.S. Capital. Guess I missed that.
When you try to limit democracy; when you care more about allegiance to a man than to principles, you are going against what the founders envisioned about America. Sad but true. Thankfully I don't have to watch much TV, at least political, these days with the lunatic tweets stifled.
Limiting voting rights because of bogus allegations spread by propaganda media like Fox and Newmax that dead people are voting is absurd. You know very well why they are limiting access to voting for many. Don't even go there, Bob. You are "watching too much TV."
kat: I appreciate your detailed response. First, LOL, I only watch TV to see movies, and never watch political opinion shows that are slanted toward (or against) one of the political parties. I'm not a member of a political party and would never give either of them a cent. Second, not all allegations of vote fraud are bogus. I have first-hand knowledge of some "very bad stuff" happening on election day (ever since I was a kid). Dead people vote in every election around here and where I used to live. You are correct that some people want to limit voter access for wrong or bad reasons. I'm not in favor of that, but still favor cleaning up the voter rolls so the dead, non-citizens & other cheaters cannot participate. I support the movement to allow the maximum number of legitimate voters to vote, but believe reasonable proof of identity should be required to ensure that no one votes twice, or in two different states, or on behalf of another person. I daresay that virtually every person you are afraid might not get to vote if we require voter ID has a Social Security number, so IMO we should assign a special voter ID number to every person registered with the Social Security Administration. They would put that special number on their absentee ballot or submit it to the poll workers when voting in person.
When is the last time a Republican won the popular vote to the White House. Almost 20 years now. And the gap is growing. Independents are closer aligned to democrats thanks to the silly social wars the Republicans continue to press proving they are a thing of the past.
Good point. I believe that you believe that Independents support your views, but none of the independents I know do. Also, both sides engage in silly social wars no voter on either side appreciates, including me.
Did I miss something. Joe Biden lied about an election? He led his followers to storm the U.S. Capital. Guess I missed that.
Nice try. I didn't say Biden lied about the election. The last thing cheating politicians do is tell the candidate that they cheated in order to get him elected. My point was... I can't name one national politician who is not a liar. Can you?
When you try to limit democracy; when you care more about allegiance to a man than to principles, you are going against what the founders envisioned about America. Sad but true. Thankfully I don't have to watch much TV, at least political, these days with the lunatic tweets stifled.
First, I support the President of the United States. I supported Trump, and now I support Biden, but my allegiance to NEITHER man is blind. I think it's my duty as a voter to question every move the President makes, so I do. Second, I don't know anyone (other than family members and a few close friends) who has blind allegiance to a specific politician. You probably don't either. IMO, people who do are likely not worth knowing.
Bob
Folks - I just want to take a moment and say "thank you" for allowing me to post here.
I will not talk politics with anyone here, yet I will talk sports/entertainment/science and other fun subjects all day. I learned 20 or so years ago on Giants.com that politics and these sports boards do not make good bedfellows. it skewed the way I conversed with certain posters when trying to talk about the NYG's.
Quote from: NapoleonBlownapart on May 08, 2021, 09:44:01 PM
Folks - I just want to take a moment and say "thank you" for allowing me to post here.
I will not talk politics with anyone here, yet I will talk sports/entertainment/science and other fun subjects all day. I learned 20 or so years ago on Giants.com that politics and these sports boards do not make good bedfellows. it skewed the way I conversed with certain posters when trying to talk about the NYG's.
Admittedly I probably was not part of this forum when the major problems with talking politics supposedly occurred, but I honestly don't see why it is such a big deal. Anyone who doesn't want to do it can just avoid the threads. Seems simple enough to me. I definitely don't think overtly political threads should be in Big Blue Huddle, the same way I don't think a thread about favorite restaurants or movies should be in BBH, but in the Front Porch it seems fine to me. Again, if it bothers anyone, just don't participate. I don't get why that is so problematic myself.
In any event, it seems like there have been multiple political threads in the Front Porch over the past month or so, and I personally have not seen any big problem.
Bob and I are having a discussion here. Though he did insult me for watching too much TV. I won't behead him for that. We are adults. We can handle our disagreements.
Some people can do it, some people can't. I don't hold it against anyone. And I understand those who can't, even though I can, but I agree that anyone who can't, shouldn't. Bob