Has the release of the Fauci emails changed your opinion of him and his statements on masks and virus origins?
No, it confirmed my views about the right-wing propaganda/hate machine constantly attacking the truth and great Americans for their sinister ends, though.
What about the one where he said masks are ineffective, the virus is too small and will pass through?
Quote from: FL GMAN on June 04, 2021, 08:59:35 AM
What about the one where he said masks are ineffective, the virus is too small and will pass through?
Speaking of right-wing slander, remember the woman you posted ugly dishonest hit piece on after she blew the whistle on the corrupt governor in Florida over his doctoring of the Covid numbers?
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2021/05/28/former-health-department-employee-rebekah-jones-granted-official-whistleblower-status/
Here's the thing, you post right-wing propaganda smearing and attacking good people. Then you never walk it back when the truth comes out. That is just plain wrong, and it's not a liberal or conservative thing, at least it shouldn't be.
You guys hit and run and never let the truth stand in the way of smearing good people and great Americans
Quote from: FL GMAN on June 04, 2021, 08:59:35 AM
What about the one where he said masks are ineffective, the virus is too small and will pass through?
Of course, this smear by the right has been fact-checked and it's complete and utter anti-American BS
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/03/fact-check-missing-context-claim-mask-emails-fauci/7531267002/
QuoteOur ruling: Missing context
The claim that an email from Fauci proves he knew masks were ineffective at mitigating the spread of COVID-19 is MISSING CONTEXT, based on our research. Fauci sent the email on Feb. 5, 2020, more than a month before the World Health Organization declared COVID-19 a worldwide pandemic. The understanding about the effectiveness of masks and guidance about wearing them evolved during the pandemic, as did Fauci
Aren't these his emails? All I asked was do they change your opinion of the man and his public pronouncements. I'm not talking about any stories written by others, just "his" emails.
Quote from: FL GMAN on June 04, 2021, 09:30:48 AM
Aren't these his emails? All I asked was do they change your opinion of the man and his public pronouncements. I'm not talking about any stories written by others, just "his" emails.
You made a false claim about what Fauci said about masks. No doubt you were misinformed because of your love of consuming right-wing propaganda. Frankly, I think consuming such false information designed to rile up your hatred, anger, and fear is a really poor life choice and something that goes against one's civic duty.
I am curious, did you sit down and actually read all of the emails that were released?
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 04, 2021, 09:36:52 AM
You made a false claim about what Fauci said about masks. No doubt you were misinformed because of your love of consuming right-wing propaganda. Frankly, I think consuming such false information designed to rile up your hatred, anger, and fear is a really poor life choice and something that goes against one's civic duty.
I am curious, did you sit down and actually read all of the emails that were released?
Another thread introduced into the political arena.
Quote from: Ed Vette on June 04, 2021, 10:04:10 AM
Another thread introduced into the political arena.
This was a political thread from the get-go. This is a non-story in the mainstream media. It's a huge story in the right-wing propaganda machine where the right has twisted and distorted what was said in the emails beyond recognition. So this thread was never introduced to politics it WAS politics
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 04, 2021, 09:00:23 AM
Speaking of right-wing slander, remember the woman you posted ugly dishonest hit piece on after she blew the whistle on the corrupt governor in Florida over his doctoring of the Covid numbers?
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2021/05/28/former-health-department-employee-rebekah-jones-granted-official-whistleblower-status/
Here's the thing, you post right-wing propaganda smearing and attacking good people. Then you never walk it back when the truth comes out. That is just plain wrong, and it's not a liberal or conservative thing, at least it shouldn't be.
You guys hit and run and never let the truth stand in the way of smearing good people and great Americans
Rich: Every one of your complaints (above) is applicable to both sides.
It is not fair for either side to "shout" libel and slander and then "whisper" a retraction (if any).
The laws in this country relating to libel and slander must be changed, and the U.S. Supreme Court's holding in
New York Times v. Sullivan must be overturned.
Bob
PS. That is the case in which it was held that a plaintiff who is a "public figure" must prove "actual malice" in order to be entitled to sue for libel and/or slander. Although I am a "99.9% free-speech-er" I still believe (as I know you do) that there must be accountability for speech, no matter how free... and people who lie must pay a price (and an even greater price must be paid by those who disseminate the lies to vast audiences).
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 04, 2021, 10:09:15 AM
This was a political thread from the get-go. This is a non-story in the mainstream media. It's a huge story in the right-wing propaganda machine where the right has twisted and distorted what was said in the emails beyond recognition. So this thread was never introduced to politics it WAS politics
He asked a question with no political overtones. Apparently your previous interactions compelled you to speculate an agenda. You could have simply answered the question without introducing "Right Wing Conspiracy" as his motive. If that was the case, eventually it would have come out. He however never posted an article link. As an observer, you jumped all over him and introduced it into a political discussion.
Quote from: Ed Vette on June 04, 2021, 10:30:16 AM
He asked a question with no political overtones. Apparently your previous interactions compelled you to speculate an agenda. You could have simply answered the question without introducing "Right Wing Conspiracy" as his motive. If that was the case, eventually it would have come out. He however never posted an article link. As an observer, you jumped all over him and introduced it into a political discussion.
Ed,
Are you aware that smearing Anthony Fauci is a favorite political cause of the right these days? I get my news from aggregators that bring me content from the right, mainstream, and left. So I am fully aware of the purely political attacks on Anthony Fauci that involve misrepresenting emails. The person that started the thread even posted one of the false claims (as my link shows) in this thread.
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 04, 2021, 10:45:04 AM
Ed,
Are you aware that smearing Anthony Fauci is a favorite political cause of the right these days? I get my news from aggregators that bring me content from the right, mainstream, and left. So I am fully aware of the purely political attacks on Anthony Fauci that involve misrepresenting emails. The person that started the thread even posted one of the false claims (as my link shows) in this thread.
Doesn
Quote from: Bob In PA on June 04, 2021, 10:10:04 AM
Rich: Every one of your complaints (above) is applicable to both sides.
It is not fair for either side to "shout" libel and slander and then "whisper" a retraction (if any).
The laws in this country relating to libel and slander must be changed, and the U.S. Supreme Court's holding in New York Times v. Sullivan must be overturned.
Bob
PS. That is the case in which it was held that a plaintiff who is a "public figure" must prove "actual malice" in order to be entitled to sue for libel and/or slander. Although I am a "99.9% free-speech-er" I still believe (as I know you do) that there must be accountability for speech, no matter how free... and people who lie must pay a price (and an even greater price must be paid by those who disseminate the lies to vast audiences).
Bob, you're enabling a political discussion. Now if you all want to open up the Back Porch again to get your fix, you have my support. Until then, let's stick to our own rules here.
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 04, 2021, 11:34:46 AM
Here are some of the stories coming from the right from just the past 24 hours:
Daily Wire:
Pompeo Slams Fauci:
Quote from: Ed Vette on June 04, 2021, 11:37:14 AM
None of that applies to this thread's OP and his subsequent posts that never mentioned politics or posted links to support that.
It shows that the TOPIC was political.
One can argue that the political topic was introduced without political commentary but that doesn't make the topic less political
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 04, 2021, 11:40:37 AM
It shows that the TOPIC was political.
One can argue that the political topic was introduced without political commentary but that doesn't make the topic less political
If you truly believe that, then why did you respond to it instead of locking it?
Quote from: Ed Vette on June 04, 2021, 11:48:57 AM
If you truly believe that, then why did you respond to it instead of locking it?
Since the political topics are generally being introduced by people whose political views I don't agree with, I don't want to be accused of politically motivated censorship.
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 04, 2021, 12:01:02 PM
Since the political topics are generally being introduced by people whose political views I don't agree with, I don't want to be accused of politically motivated censorship.
So instead you accuse them of intent based on your subjective opinion, post links to support that in order to censor them and scold them. Ok, now I understand.
Quote from: Ed Vette on June 04, 2021, 12:30:57 PM
So instead you accuse them of intent based on your subjective opinion, post links to support that in order to censor them and scold them. Ok, now I understand.
So controversial topics that are being heavily politicized and discussed by Trump and his supporters are in no way shape or form political????
Quote from: MightyGiants on June 04, 2021, 12:42:09 PM
So controversial topics that are being heavily politicized and discussed by Trump and his supporters are in no way shape or form political????
In and of themselves? Not unless the discussion goes in that direction. Dr. Fauci is an important figure at this time. This discussion could have taken place without directing it as a plot by right wing media or accusing one of our members of an agenda without evidence of his intent.
Quote from: Ed Vette on June 04, 2021, 01:36:03 PM
In and of themselves? Not unless the discussion goes in that direction. Dr. Fauci is an important figure at this time. This discussion could have taken place without directing it as a plot by right wing media or accusing one of our members of an agenda without evidence of his intent.
His second post on this topic was a FALSE POLITICAL talking point (I already posted the fact check to prove it was false). I say political because that's the only place one could get that false claim from was political propaganda sources.
Quote from: FL GMAN on June 04, 2021, 08:59:35 AM
What about the one where he said masks are ineffective, the virus is too small and will pass through?
Look, you may say I jumped the gun but we all know this was topic was about as non-political as the multiple threads promoting the idea that Covid escaped from a Chinese lab (interestingly enough his original post even mentioned that topic).
I take great care to start topics that are not political in nature or add a political spin to the discussions we are having. I am asking no less of others than what I am willing to do myself.
For the whole non-political current events thing to work, we can't be reliving this scene from Casablanca
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME
Looks like I am not alone in recognizing things for what they really are
Republicans are using Fauci's emails to make him into a boogeyman
Analysis by Chris Cillizza
Choose your reality:
1) Reality 1: Newly released emails from the early days of the pandemic paint Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, as battling, often to the point of utter exhaustion, on the front lines of a virus that even he struggles to grasp the enormity of.
2) Reality 2: Newly released emails from the early days of the pandemic reveal that Fauci was -- and is -- a deeply partisan bureaucrat who worked behind the scenes to dismiss concerns about the possibility that Covid-19 had emerged after a lab leak in Wuhan, China -- among other things.
Allies of former President Donald Trump -- from Fox News' wall-to-wall coverage of the emails to Sen. Rand Paul's "told you" tweet earlier this week -- are very much adherents of Reality 2.
Of course, a little thing called "facts" back up Reality 1 -- also known as just plain reality for the majority of Americans.
Paul and others are hanging a whole lot on a single email from an executive at EcoHealth Alliance, a global nonprofit that helped fund some research at China's Wuhan Institute of Virology, thanking him for saying publicly that the scientific evidence suggested the virus had occurred naturally rather than from a lab leak.
Which is what the science said at the time. And as Fauci explained on CNN's "New Day" on Thursday:
"You can misconstrue it however you want -- that email was from a person to me saying 'thank you' for whatever it is he thought I said, and I said that I think the most likely origin is a jumping of species. I still do think it is, at the same time as I'm keeping an open mind that it might be a lab leak."
(President Joe Biden re-ignited the issue of the lab-leak theory in late May when he tasked the intelligence community to report back to him within 90 days on whether or not the virus occurred naturally or was the result of a lab leak.)
What the emails released this week re-prove is this: Fauci has become Republicans' new favorite boogeyman.
It's Fauci -- not Biden -- whom Trump-loving Republicans seem fixated on as they look for a foothold in a national political landscape where they control neither the White House or Congress.
"After seeing the emails, our Country is fortunate I didn't do what Dr. Fauci wanted me to do," said Trump in a statement released Thursday. "Dr. Fauci also didn't put an emphasis on speed of vaccine production because he thought it would take 3, 4, or maybe even 5 years to create. I got it done in less than 9 months with Operation Warp Speed."
Later, in a second statement, Trump added this: "The correspondence between Dr. Fauci and China speaks too loudly for anyone to ignore. China should pay Ten Trillion Dollars to America, and the World, for the death and destruction they have caused!"
For Trump -- and Paul -- this is simply a continuation of their regular drumbeat of attacks on Fauci over the past year or so. Trump and his followers -- in Congress and out -- have long insisted that Fauci is a secret Democrat who got it wrong at every turn of the pandemic. (Fauci, it's worth noting, has served in his role for Republican and Democratic presidents.)
One other example: In early April, Georgia Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene tweeted a video of her CrossFit workout routine accompanied by these words: "This is my Covid protection #MakeAmericaHealthyAgain. It's time to #FireFauci."
The year-long negative campaign against Fauci, who has largely avoided any sort of response or retaliation, has had a profound effect on how he is viewed by Republicans.
In a Fox News poll conducted late last month, just 1 in 3 Republicans approved of how Fauci has handled the virus while 64% disapproved. Compare that to the 6 in 10 registered voters who, in that same poll, said they approved of Fauci's work on Covid-19 and you see the massive disconnect between Republican voters and the general electorate.
Fauci's unpopularity among Republicans means that the likes of Trump, Paul and Greene will keep attacking him as a way to virtue signal to their base -- and raise money!
That a doctor who has spent his entire life working for presidents of both parties has become a despised figure among Republican leaders and voters speaks to just how far the GOP has gone off the rails.