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Ralph Vacchiano
@RalphVacchiano
So the Giants are going to win. The Raiders are going to win. And the Jaguars beat the Titans.
So the new Top 5 of the 2025 NFL Draft should be:
1.Patriots (3-13)
2.Titans (3-13)
3.Giants (3-13)
4.Browns (3-12 ... vs. Miami at 4:05 p.m.)
5.Jaguars (4-12)
https://x.com/RalphVacchiano/status/1873474721565827534
At least it wasn't a precipitous drop.
Pats will look to trade back. Their pick will be for sale.
Who would've ever guessed an offensive explosion like this?!
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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on December 29, 2024, 04:09:14 PMWho would've ever guessed an offensive explosion like this?!
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I am not surprised; the Giants do everything in their power to remain mediocre, including winning meaningless games when almost every fan wanted them to lose :surrender:
I haven't been this upset with the Giants since they lost the Super Bowl
I don't know if I can continue being a fan
WOW...so we beat the Flacco-led Colts at home...
And go from #1 overall to #4 overall pick (the Browns will lose later today)
Great! :crazy:
Quote from: MightyGiants on December 29, 2024, 04:15:12 PMI haven't been this upset with the Giants since they lost the Super Bowl
I don't know if I can continue being a fan
I couldn't be happier if it means no Sanders.
Quote from: MightyGiants on December 29, 2024, 04:15:12 PMI haven't been this upset with the Giants since they lost the Super Bowl
I don't know if I can continue being a fan
We're an absolute xxxx show. We're the worst franchise in the league and it's not even close.
I wish Mara would sell up and go.
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I don't care much about picking 1st or 4th...via tanking...
I care about this meaningless win turning into another year of mediocre coaching by Daboll...
We'll see what happens...
Dolphins and no Tua could easily lose. They're out of it versus the Browns. Barkley will play next week to break the record, if that's any consolation. It really makes it more imperative that Schoen is let go because he has to draft a QB to save his job. Trouble. Position of weakness already.
Quote from: HondurasGiants on December 29, 2024, 04:21:10 PMI don't care much about picking 1st or 4th...via tanking...
I care about this meaningless win turning into another year of mediocre coaching by Daboll...
We'll see what happens...
Mara was desperately looking for an excuse to keep status quo this and next week's victory will give him just that
Quote from: MightyGiants on December 29, 2024, 04:25:21 PMMara was desperately looking for an excuse to keep status quo this and next week's victory will give him just that
Because he is an absolute idiot.
Don't force it. Some times things are meant to be. A lot of first pick busts over the years.
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Quote from: MightyGiants on December 29, 2024, 04:15:12 PMI haven't been this upset with the Giants since they lost the Super Bowl
I don't know if I can continue being a fan
I couldn't agree more. I'm disgusted. This organization is a complete embarrassment and I don't see it changing.
Drew Lock making like Josh Allen and Marsette taking one to the house are both unlikely to repeat even against Philly back-ups. One of the QB is still in play at 4 but if we win again and drop to 8 or 9 it will be Carson Beck or similar day 2. Only time will tell how it all plays out but I guess there is still some pride in that locker room and maybe even more belief in the HC than I believed. You can never criticise pros for being pros, no matter how it hurts strategically.
Quote from: MightyGiants on December 29, 2024, 04:11:09 PMI am not surprised; the Giants do everything in their power to remain mediocre, including winning meaningless games when almost every fan wanted them to lose :surrender:
Perhaps, Rich
@MightyGiants , but if they stay at #3, they're still going to get a quality player and , possibly, one of the two QBs (NOTE: if you're enamored enough to draft one of them). If the QBs are gone, then Hunter is there, Banks Jr. is there, and really the entire draft board is available for the picking. The only thing they really lose is the potential to gain draft capital for 2026 with the option to move out of the #1.
Personally, I was never in favor of the two QBs in the first place so, if their winning today takes them out of the discussion, then that's fine by me.
Fix the damned offensive line first. Then, go find yourself a quarterback that you can protect.
I'm sure there will be plenty of fretting leading into the Iggles game. I was mistaken about today, and I may be mistaken about next week, but the Iggles will be foolish to blow off next week's game and think they can just turn it on in the post-season like a light switch. What they did to Dallas today is what they should do to the Giants in the first half next week.
Peace!
Quote from: Ed Vette on December 29, 2024, 04:31:35 PMDon't force it. Some times things are meant to be. A lot of first pick busts over the years.
I agree, Ed. People act like it's over. We're still gonna have a very high pic and it looks like we desperately need a shut down corner. We could also use help on the offensive line.
Quote from: brownelvis54 on December 29, 2024, 04:40:24 PMI agree, Ed. People act like it's over. We're still gonna have a very high pic and it looks like we desperately need a shut down corner. We could also use help on the offensive line.
Who's playing QB?
Quote from: brownelvis54 on December 29, 2024, 04:40:24 PMI agree, Ed. People act like it's over. We're still gonna have a very high pic and it looks like we desperately need a shut down corner. We could also use help on the offensive line.
How have those high picks worked out for us in the past?
You can't win in this league without a QB. If they don't like either of the top 2 QBs, 1st overall gave them a shot at gaining capital for next year.
I'm just so sick of this franchise.
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Quote from: kartanoman on December 29, 2024, 04:39:45 PMPerhaps, Rich @MightyGiants , but if they stay at #3, they're still going to get a quality player and , possibly, one of the two QBs (NOTE: if you're enamored enough to draft one of them). If the QBs are gone, then Hunter is there, Banks Jr. is there, and really the entire draft board is available for the picking. The only thing they really lose is the potential to gain draft capital for 2026 with the option to move out of the #1.
Personally, I was never in favor of the two QBs in the first place so, if their winning today takes them out of the discussion, then that's fine by me.
Fix the damned offensive line first. Then, go find yourself a quarterback that you can protect.
I'm sure there will be plenty of fretting leading into the Iggles game. I was mistaken about today, and I may be mistaken about next week, but the Iggles will be foolish to blow off next week's game and think they can just turn it on in the post-season like a light switch. What they did to Dallas today is what they should do to the Giants in the first half next week.
Peace!
Chris,
Do you honestly think the Giants can't defeat the Eagles' second-stringers? This team is will drop some more
Quote from: kartanoman on December 29, 2024, 04:39:45 PMPerhaps, Rich @MightyGiants , but if they stay at #3, they're still going to get a quality player and , possibly, one of the two QBs (NOTE: if you're enamored enough to draft one of them). If the QBs are gone, then Hunter is there, Banks Jr. is there, and really the entire draft board is available for the picking. The only thing they really lose is the potential to gain draft capital for 2026 with the option to move out of the #1.
Personally, I was never in favor of the two QBs in the first place so, if their winning today takes them out of the discussion, then that's fine by me.
Fix the damned offensive line first. Then, go find yourself a quarterback that you can protect.
I'm sure there will be plenty of fretting leading into the Iggles game. I was mistaken about today, and I may be mistaken about next week, but the Iggles will be foolish to blow off next week's game and think they can just turn it on in the post-season like a light switch. What they did to Dallas today is what they should do to the Giants in the first half next week.
Peace!
You need a good qb to benefit from a good line
The first 6 weeks of the season the o-line was more than fine .... But Jones couldn't capitalize
We can't keep "building"
The longer we build we will just keep "building" because we keep drafting players to just replace the f*** previous players we drafted to "build"
This was the most idiotic win ever
Even if they didn't want one of the QB's they could've still had the #1 pick and get who they want with it or trade back and get more pieces ... but I doubt that was the goal
Yes, the offensive line is important but how much longer do you want to be in QB hell?
So now, it's all cockadoodle to be determined by someone else before we can decide who to blame. Of one thing we can be sure, the Giants won't score enough to win for as long as the Eagles have to play their No.1s to get Barkley the rushing record.
In any case, it was nice to see them throwing deep for at least one game this season. And of course, the NFL from the Draft onward is always more about chance than anything else, so why fret?
Cheers!
Quote from: katkavage on December 29, 2024, 04:43:27 PMWho's playing QB?
Great question. I was pushing for Donald before this season even began. That ship has sailed his values too high. In fact any team that signs them into a contract is probably gonna overpay
We can resign Lock, we could go after Jameis Winston, Andy Dalton, Zach, Wilson, or Justin Fields
The last two would have a chance to resurrect their careers.
This move would enable us to draft at other spots that are greatly needed and we can go after a quarterback in 2026
Another option is drafting Dart or Milroe.... In the late first or early second round.
Let them sit for most of next year and hopefully we strike gold
Patriots are sitting pretty..will look to get a nice package for their pick (the Giants?) :sick: .
I actually love #3 overall; it could alleviate the pressure of taking Sanders or Ward, leaving us with college footballs best player as a consolation prize. I know, I KNOW...we need a QB and nothing will change until we secure one. That may have to wait until 2026; I'm also ok with gambling on Milroe, in the appropriate round/pick.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on December 29, 2024, 05:04:57 PMPatriots are sitting pretty..will look to get a nice package for their pick (the Giants?) :sick: .
Or they just take Hunter. They need playmakers...they currently have none.
I might be the only person here happy, us picking 3rd virtually guarantees we don't reach for an average qb and can take Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, or Will Johnson.
Quote from: kartanoman on December 29, 2024, 04:39:45 PMPerhaps, Rich @MightyGiants , but if they stay at #3, they're still going to get a quality player and , possibly, one of the two QBs (NOTE: if you're enamored enough to draft one of them). If the QBs are gone, then Hunter is there, Banks Jr. is there, and really the entire draft board is available for the picking. The only thing they really lose is the potential to gain draft capital for 2026 with the option to move out of the #1.
Personally, I was never in favor of the two QBs in the first place so, if their winning today takes them out of the discussion, then that's fine by me.
Fix the damned offensive line first. Then, go find yourself a quarterback that you can protect.
I'm sure there will be plenty of fretting leading into the Iggles game. I was mistaken about today, and I may be mistaken about next week, but the Iggles will be foolish to blow off next week's game and think they can just turn it on in the post-season like a light switch. What they did to Dallas today is what they should do to the Giants in the first half next week.
Peace!
And if they had lost they would have had their pick of the litter. It's just typical Giants bull$hit. Be bad enough to suck the soul out of their fan base but win a meaningless game or two and miss out on the truly elite player.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 29, 2024, 05:08:41 PMI might be the only person here happy, us picking 3rd virtually guarantees we don't reach for an average qb and can take Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, or Will Johnson.
I just typed the exact sentiment, Jess.
Hunter is off the board.
Quote from: katkavage on December 29, 2024, 05:13:28 PMHunter is off the board.
Still plenty of other talent there.
Bob Papa was on the post game saying that Giants fans rooting for losses are a vocal minority and need to stuff it. And he's happy for people who got to go today and see a win that paid 25 cents on the dollar for tickets and their kids got to see a win and maybe hooked them on football and the Giants.
So, that I've had tickets in my family for 50 years and supported this franchise through many horrible years.. that's not important but getting cheap tickets is? And the Giants fans that realize the benefit of a high draft pick to either get a QB or accept a package of picks to trade down and help the rebuild... that's wrong and we need to stuff it?
And for all that celebrate the Giants "fight" today... where was that the last ten weeks?
So frustrated being a Giants fan and this must feel like the 70's (I was a bit too young to remember).
I don't see Sanders or Ward as the answer. They would likely be an improvement but not some franchise savior we need.
I am fine taking BPA, as it should be and going with a vet QB next year. Then do what it takes to get your QB in 2026 if next year is bad
Quote from: ViewFromSection129 on December 29, 2024, 05:15:40 PMBob Papa was on the post game saying that Giants fans rooting for losses are a vocal minority and need to stuff it. And he's happy for people who got to go today and see a win that paid 25 cents on the dollar for tickets and their kids got to see a win and maybe hooked them on football and the Giants.
So, that I've had tickets in my family for 50 years and supported this franchise through many horrible years.. that's not important but getting cheap tickets is? And the Giants fans that realize the benefit of a high draft pick to either get a QB or accept a package of picks to trade down and help the rebuild... that's wrong and we need to stuff it?
And for all that celebrate the Giants "fight" today... where was that the last ten weeks?
So frustrated being a Giants fan and this must feel like the 70's (I was a bit too young to remember).
Papa is a shill.
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Giants won't break a tie against anyone with that SOS. Pick 8-9, here we come!
Quote from: ViewFromSection129 on December 29, 2024, 05:18:31 PMGiants won't break a tie against anyone with that SOS. Pick 8-9, here we come!
That's my expectation. The Giants beat the Philly backups, and there they are. I don't know why people are saying they are happy with picking 3rd, as that's not likely to happen.
Quote from: MightyGiants on December 29, 2024, 05:19:38 PMThat's my expectation. The Giants beat the Philly backups, and there they are. I don't know why people are saying they are happy with picking 3rd, as that's not likely to happen.
I'd rather pick 8th, than pick another backup qb with a high pick.
Quote from: katkavage on December 29, 2024, 04:43:27 PMWho's playing QB?
Hopefully not anyone from the very weak class of 2025.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 29, 2024, 05:25:05 PMI'd rather pick 8th, than pick another backup qb with a high pick.
Exactly
I honestly am not a huge fan of either QB. Especially after Ward gave up on his team yesterday. That tells me something. And Sanders sounds like a pompous ass like his dad. But I did want the option to evaluate them or to trade down. To get more picks and do something positive. New England has been bad a couple years and now have their QB and will likely be able to parlay this season into trading down and accelerating their rebuild. They rebuilt like a team should... great for 20 years, rebuild a couple, now on the way up. And the Giants? Stuck in neutral still because the players played so hard today and ignored playing for the previous ten weeks.
This franchise literally has a stench on it and needs to fight out of this but aren't in any position to do so. Everything is going wrong for a decade... bad coaches, bad GMs, bad owner. Injuries. Losses galore, except "big" wins when they aren't needed. This is what happens to bad franchises. No skill, no good luck. Everything is bad.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on December 29, 2024, 05:26:28 PMHopefully not anyone from the very weak class of 2025.
Still no answer. The reality is they will be bad next year with a QB from this year or not. And on and on it goes.
Quote from: katkavage on December 29, 2024, 05:31:25 PMStill no answer. The reality is they will be bad next year with a QB from this year or not. And on and on it goes.
Good - We will need another bad year to secure a QB in 2026; this isn't a 1-year fix, but I firmly believe we're starting to collect the core ingredients to be competitive.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 29, 2024, 05:25:05 PMI'd rather pick 8th, than pick another backup qb with a high pick.
I am glad you are happy, I'm not
Quote from: kingm56 on December 29, 2024, 05:34:25 PMGood - We will need another bad year to secure a QB in 2026; this isn't a 1-year fix, but I firmly believe we're starting to collect the core ingredients to be competitive.
The coach and GM won't make another bad year. Not a chance.
Quote from: MightyGiants on December 29, 2024, 05:19:38 PMThat's my expectation. The Giants beat the Philly backups, and there they are. I don't know why people are saying they are happy with picking 3rd, as that's not likely to happen.
You just know the Eagles will purposefully lose to screw the Giants.
On a related Eagles note - the other thread was locked. In 2024, you are allowed to
protect four players per game on your Practice Squad. The Eagles won't be able to poach DJ from the Vikings PS
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The real danger is that Schoen overpays on a trade up. Never trust a desperate GM.
https://x.com/art_stapleton/status/1873497536641830968?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Quote from: katkavage on December 29, 2024, 05:31:25 PMStill no answer. The reality is they will be bad next year with a QB from this year or not. And on and on it goes.
I've given my answer a dozen times in a dozen other threads. I would sign a vet on a 2-year deal (or 3 with a team option after 2) and then draft someone in the 1st in 2026. That way, the rookie doesn't have to start in year 1 on a terrible team (like Caleb Williams) and he has a year to learn the system.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on December 29, 2024, 05:45:39 PMI've given my answer a dozen times in a dozen other threads. I would sign a vet on a 2-year deal (or 3 with a team option after 2) and then draft someone in the 1st in 2026. That way, the rookie doesn't have to start in year 1 on a terrible team (like Caleb Williams) and he has a year to learn the system.
Who? And what if Daboll and Schoen return.? You give them at least two more years?
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on December 29, 2024, 05:42:34 PMThe real danger is that Schoen overpays on a trade up. Never trust a desperate GM.
Unless the Giants drop to 4th , they would not have to trade up unless The Pats trade down to get more picks .
I don't care about the number one overall because of the QB. I care about it because it could not only parlay more high picks, but we would get number one in each round.
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Quote from: Stringer Bell on December 29, 2024, 05:45:39 PMI've given my answer a dozen times in a dozen other threads. I would sign a vet on a 2-year deal (or 3 with a team option after 2) and then draft someone in the 1st in 2026. That way, the rookie doesn't have to start in year 1 on a terrible team (like Caleb Williams) and he has a year to learn the system.
That makes sense
Waste 2-3 years of Nabers and Tracy , Theo Johnson , dru Philips, Banks
Makes perfect sense
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on December 29, 2024, 05:52:41 PMUnless the Giants drop to 4th , they would not have to trade up unless The Pats trade down to get more picks .
Cleveland is down 2 scores in the second half, so there's a good chance they drop to 4th. Either way, it's very possible New England trades down and QBs go 1st and 2nd. Schoen engaged NE last year about trading up for a QB, but NE wanted Maye for themselves and Schoen wasn't motivated to overpay. This year he knows his job is very much on the line.
Quote from: killarich on December 29, 2024, 05:57:06 PMThat makes sense
Waste 2-3 years of Nabers and Tracy , Theo Johnson , dru Philips, Banks
Makes perfect sense
You're the one not making any sense. There's a 99% chance Jamies Winston would perform better the next 2 years than Sanders. So how is it wasting those years? If anything, your suggestion of drafting a subpar rookie would be far more likely to waste the young talent on the team.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on December 29, 2024, 06:02:51 PMYou're the one not making any sense. There's a 99% chance Jamies Winston would perform better the next 2 years than Sanders. So how is it wasting those years? If anything, your suggestion of drafting a subpar rookie would be far more likely to waste the young talent on the team.
Are you serious right now ? Winston ?
If Sanders isn't ready for 2 years ... How in the blue hell do you know the QB we get in 2 years will also require that 2 year learning window
ONCE AGAIN like I said.. it is WASTING our young talent on rookie money POINT BLANK
Quote from: katkavage on December 29, 2024, 05:51:43 PMWho? And what if Daboll and Schoen return.? You give them at least two more years?
Winston. Mac Jones. Fields. Mariota.
I would take Will Johnson and 2 years of any one of them over watching this team flounder for 5 years with Sanders.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on December 29, 2024, 06:05:14 PMWinston. Mac Jones. Fields. Mariota.
I would take Will Johnson and 2 years of any one of them over watching this team flounder for 5 years with Sanders.
Mac Jones ? Mariota ?
Might as well resign Daniel Jones
This has to be a joke ... a bad one at that
Quote from: killarich on December 29, 2024, 06:04:44 PMAre you serious right now ? Winston ?
If Sanders isn't ready for 2 years ... How in the blue hell do you know the QB we get in 2 years will also require that 2 year learning window
ONCE AGAIN like I said.. it is WASTING our young talent on rookie money POINT BLANK
I'm not saying it will take Sanders 2 years to be ready. I'm saying Sanders will not be a good NFL QB period.
And yes, I would bet any amount of money that Winston outperforms Sanders over the next 2 years. Name the amount and I'll take the bet.
So yea, drafting Sanders would be wasting the team's talent.
Quote from: killarich on December 29, 2024, 06:06:29 PMMac Jones ? Mariota ?
Might as well resign Daniel Jones
This has to be a joke ... a bad one at that
Mac Jones has a 93.2 QBR over his last 5 starts. Sanders would not match that. And I would much rather lock the team into 2 years of Jones vs. 5 years of Sanders. It's pretty simple, really.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on December 29, 2024, 06:11:55 PMMac Jones has a 93.2 QBR over his last 5 starts. Sanders would not match that. And I would much rather lock the team into 2 years of Jones vs. 5 years of Sanders. It's pretty simple, really.
You have a hate for Sanders that idk what it is... But he hasn't played a snap in the NFL and you are saying MAC JONES of all people should be our next QB
You are NOT a Giants fan
Quote from: killarich on December 29, 2024, 06:18:13 PMYou are NOT a Giants fan
LOLOL...ok buddy. I guess only those who want to sink the team for the next 5 years by drafting a below average QB are true fans.
Like I said, name the price on Winston vs. Sanders. Looking forward to your excuse as to why you won't do it.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on December 29, 2024, 06:24:56 PMLOLOL...ok buddy. I guess only those who want to sink the team for the next 5 years by drafting a below average QB are true fans.
Like I said, name the price on Winston vs. Sanders. Looking forward to your excuse as to why you won't do it.
IDK YOU... I'm not placing monetary bets on a message board lol .... Winston has bounced around how much now ? You make zero sense
The first pick in the draft seemed like a fair reward for this horrible season and decade. It's beyond frustrating to have it taken away from us.
Quote from: MightyGiants on December 29, 2024, 06:32:47 PMThe first pick in the draft seemed like a fair reward for this horrible season and decade. It's beyond frustrating to have it taken away from us.
Well why did Schoen and Daboll suddenly decide to stop losing games on purpose? J/k
Quote from: kingm56 on December 29, 2024, 05:06:30 PMI actually love #3 overall; it could alleviate the pressure of taking Sanders or Ward, leaving us with college footballs best player as a consolation prize. I know, I KNOW...we need a QB and nothing will change until we secure one. That may have to wait until 2026; I'm also ok with gambling on Milroe, in the appropriate round/pick.
These idiots are going to trade up to the Patriots spot giving up a fortune and take the QB they could have just had themselves if they had taken Nabers ankle injury and used it to put him on IR. These dumb bastards screwed up the whole rebuild. Now they might as well fire everybody because they'd just have to do it next year anyway.
We aren't going to have #3 .... Browns are leaving points on the board
We are going to have anywhere from 4-8
Worse possible position
Quote from: killarich on December 29, 2024, 06:18:13 PMYou have a hate for Sanders that idk what it is... But he hasn't played a snap in the NFL and you are saying MAC JONES of all people should be our next QB
You are NOT a Giants fan
Accusing someone of not being a Giants fan because he happens to have a different opinion than you on what the path forward at the QB position should be is something I'd be disappointed in hearing from my 9 year old nephew.
Quote from: Gmo11 on December 29, 2024, 06:34:57 PMThese idiots are going to trade up to the Patriots spot giving up a fortune and take the QB they could have just had themselves if they had taken Nabers ankle injury and used it to put him on IR. These dumb bastards screwed up the whole rebuild. Now they might as well fire everybody because they'd just have to do it next year anyway.
Yes. This is my biggest concern right now.
Quote from: MightyGiants on December 29, 2024, 06:32:47 PMThe first pick in the draft seemed like a fair reward for this horrible season and decade. It's beyond frustrating to have it taken away from us.
Mighty,
I feel exactly the same way as you do right now, I was beyond upset when I found out they won today. What an unintelligent team and organization.
Quote from: Gmo11 on December 29, 2024, 06:34:57 PMThese idiots are going to trade up to the Patriots spot giving up a fortune and take the QB they could have just had themselves if they had taken Nabers ankle injury and used it to put him on IR. These dumb bastards screwed up the whole rebuild. Now they might as well fire everybody because they'd just have to do it next year anyway.
GMO,
I completely agree with you, and I feel the exact same way, what an unintelligent and lack of wisdom team and organization the Giants are right now. I have no words, I just feel very upset at the moment.
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on December 29, 2024, 06:47:49 PMYes. This is my biggest concern right now.
Doc,
I feel the exact same way as you do, I'm beyond upset. A total lack of people with low I.Q. running the organization.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 29, 2024, 06:43:29 PMAccusing someone of not being a Giants fan because he happens to have a different opinion than you on what the path forward at the QB position should be is something I'd be disappointed in hearing from my 9 year old nephew.
Stringer has an unusual hate for Sanders.... His opinion is not based off of football its based off of a childish mindset
So yea .... umm no
Cleveland just lost.
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Quote from: sxdxca38 on December 29, 2024, 07:02:30 PMDoc,
I feel the exact same way as you do, I'm beyond upset. A total lack of people with low I.Q. running the organization.
The claim that Joe Schoen has a low IQ based on something you think he'll do is not only speculative but also unfair given his tenure as the Giants' general manager. Schoen has consistently demonstrated a disciplined, future-focused approach since taking the helm. He inherited a challenging cap situation and a roster with significant holes, yet he resisted the temptation to make splashy, short-sighted moves that could jeopardize the team's long-term goals.
Schoen's management style thus far emphasizes building through the draft, strategic free agency signings, and maintaining financial flexibility. His unwillingness to mortgage the Giants' future for immediate but fleeting success has already earned him a reputation as a calculated and patient decision-maker. To assume that he'll suddenly abandon this philosophy and act recklessly is baseless. There's no evidence in his track record to suggest he's inclined to trade away valuable future assets for short-term gain.
It's hard to argue that the Giants are on a good trajectory with a 3-13 record this season, but it's important to consider the bigger picture. If anything, Schoen has shown a commitment to sustainable growth, even if the results haven't materialized on the field yet. His methodical restructuring of the Giants' roster and salary cap has laid the groundwork for future stability, though it's clear there's still a long way to go. Yet, his 2024 draft is objectively the best in the NFL. The foundation is FINALLY there for future success.
Criticizing him based on a hypothetical move that runs counter to his demonstrated philosophy doesn't account for the challenges he inherited or the deliberate process he's undertaken. While the record is undoubtedly disappointing, Schoen's approach shows prudence and an understanding that building a consistently competitive team often requires time, patience, and a willingness to endure short-term struggles for long-term gain. Hell, he may have severe reservations concerning Ward and Sanders. We simply don't know. To date, his biggest blunder has been resigning DJ, which is a move YOU FULLY SUPPORTED. Yet, he was smart enough to give himself a 2-year out. In short, I don't believe Schoen will act irrationally this draft.
Quote from: killarich on December 29, 2024, 07:02:37 PMStringer has an unusual hate for Sanders.... His opinion is not based off of football its based off of a childish mindset
So yea .... umm no
It's cute that given your tirades in this thread that you would accuse someone else of being childish.
I've made my feelings on Sanders known and have backed them up with references and facts.
It's a fact that Sanders holds the ball too long and tries to play hero ball, taking far too many sacks and evidenced by his terrible play last night.
It's a fact that Sanders has thrown his teammates under the bus in the media on multiple occasions, showing a lack of accountability and leadership.
It's a fact that Sanders has walked off the field before a game ended, showing terrible sportsmanship and immaturity.
What is unusual about not being a fan of someone who exhibits these traits. And why is it "hate" and not a fan's analysis of a player's makeup and performance.
You are the one who is getting personal, telling people they are not real fans, calling them childish, etc. Like Dave says, all because they have a different opinion than you. Not a great look.
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Quote from: kingm56 on December 29, 2024, 07:31:20 PMThe claim that Joe Schoen has a low IQ based on something you think he'll do is not only speculative but also unfair given his tenure as the Giants' general manager. Schoen has consistently demonstrated a disciplined, future-focused approach since taking the helm. He inherited a challenging cap situation and a roster with significant holes, yet he resisted the temptation to make splashy, short-sighted moves that could jeopardize the team's long-term goals.
Schoen's management style thus far emphasizes building through the draft, strategic free agency signings, and maintaining financial flexibility. His unwillingness to mortgage the Giants' future for immediate but fleeting success has already earned him a reputation as a calculated and patient decision-maker. To assume that he'll suddenly abandon this philosophy and act recklessly is baseless. There's no evidence in his track record to suggest he's inclined to trade away valuable future assets for short-term gain.
It's hard to argue that the Giants are on a good trajectory with a 3-13 record this season, but it's important to consider the bigger picture. If anything, Schoen has shown a commitment to sustainable growth, even if the results haven't materialized on the field yet. His methodical restructuring of the Giants' roster and salary cap has laid the groundwork for future stability, though it's clear there's still a long way to go. Yet, his 2024 draft is objectively the best in the NFL. The foundation is FINALLY there for future success.
Criticizing him based on a hypothetical move that runs counter to his demonstrated philosophy doesn't account for the challenges he inherited or the deliberate process he's undertaken. While the record is undoubtedly disappointing, Schoen's approach shows prudence and an understanding that building a consistently competitive team often requires time, patience, and a willingness to endure short-term struggles for long-term gain. Hell, he may have severe reservations concerning Ward and Sanders. We simply don't know. To date, his biggest blunder has been resigning DJ, which is a move YOU FULLY SUPPORTED. Yet, he was smart enough to give himself a 2-year out. In short, I don't believe Schoen will act irrationally this draft.
The Giants coming into today had the #1 overall pick.
Now as it stands, they have the 4th overall pick, with a 3-13 record.
Simple question:
Is the #1 overall pick more valuable and better to have than the 4th overall pick?
Quote from: sxdxca38 on December 29, 2024, 08:08:47 PMThe Giants coming into today had the #1 overall pick.
Now as it stands, they have the 4th overall pick, with a 3-13 record.
Simple question:
Is the #1 overall pick more valuable and better to have than the 4th overall pick?
What's the point of your pedantic question? Are you accusing the Giants of having a low IQ for 'failing' to lose todays game? You've had some hot takes over the years, but this may be your best.
Quote from: kingm56 on December 29, 2024, 07:31:20 PMThe claim that Joe Schoen has a low IQ based on something you think he'll do is not only speculative but also unfair given his tenure as the Giants' general manager. Schoen has consistently demonstrated a disciplined, future-focused approach since taking the helm. He inherited a challenging cap situation and a roster with significant holes, yet he resisted the temptation to make splashy, short-sighted moves that could jeopardize the team's long-term goals.
Schoen's management style thus far emphasizes building through the draft, strategic free agency signings, and maintaining financial flexibility. His unwillingness to mortgage the Giants' future for immediate but fleeting success has already earned him a reputation as a calculated and patient decision-maker. To assume that he'll suddenly abandon this philosophy and act recklessly is baseless. There's no evidence in his track record to suggest he's inclined to trade away valuable future assets for short-term gain.
It's hard to argue that the Giants are on a good trajectory with a 3-13 record this season, but it's important to consider the bigger picture. If anything, Schoen has shown a commitment to sustainable growth, even if the results haven't materialized on the field yet. His methodical restructuring of the Giants' roster and salary cap has laid the groundwork for future stability, though it's clear there's still a long way to go. Yet, his 2024 draft is objectively the best in the NFL. The foundation is FINALLY there for future success.
Criticizing him based on a hypothetical move that runs counter to his demonstrated philosophy doesn't account for the challenges he inherited or the deliberate process he's undertaken. While the record is undoubtedly disappointing, Schoen's approach shows prudence and an understanding that building a consistently competitive team often requires time, patience, and a willingness to endure short-term struggles for long-term gain. Hell, he may have severe reservations concerning Ward and Sanders. We simply don't know. To date, his biggest blunder has been resigning DJ, which is a move YOU FULLY SUPPORTED. Yet, he was smart enough to give himself a 2-year out. In short, I don't believe Schoen will act irrationally this draft.
I agree with pretty much all of this. He tore down pile of crap Gettleman left built up a brand new foundation and all that was needed was a young talented QB to take the reigns and lead them. Problem is that QB needed to come this year. Now the whole plan goes to hell because they will again suck next year as Drew Locks miracle game makes Mara fall full bloom in love or they sign some other useless bum to play QB but win juuuust enough games to keep wasting the prime years of Dex and Thomas and the rookie contract of Nabers and Tracy. This was all set up for them. Get the QB and take off. Nope. Instead lock plays the greatest game he will ever play and even this pathetic defense manages to get enough stops to win the damn game.
I was on board with keeping schoen and daboll both thinking this was right on the cusp of turning around all they needed was a real QB. Now I think they should fire them both because after what's about to happen next season regardless of coach or GM they're gonna get canned at that point. So just get it over with.
The title of this is facing the Philly backups next week.
Do we really think that Philly is going to play backups with Barkley going for the record??
Dumpster Dan
Quote from: Gmo11 on December 29, 2024, 08:19:01 PMI agree with pretty much all of this. He tore down pile of crap Gettleman left built up a brand new foundation and all that was needed was a young talented QB to take the reigns and lead them. Problem is that QB needed to come this year. Now the whole plan goes to hell because they will again suck next year as Drew Locks miracle game makes Mara fall full bloom in love or they sign some other useless bum to play QB but win juuuust enough games to keep wasting the prime years of Dex and Thomas and the rookie contract of Nabers and Tracy. This was all set up for them. Get the QB and take off. Nope. Instead lock plays the greatest game he will ever play and even this pathetic defense manages to get enough stops to win the damn game.
I was on board with keeping schoen and daboll both thinking this was right on the cusp of turning around all they needed was a real QB. Now I think they should fire them both because after what's about to happen next season regardless of coach or GM they're gonna get canned at that point. So just get it over with.
Fair enough, GMO. Fundamentally, I agree with a lot of your well articulated views. I will advocate for 1 more year; his 2024 draft class earned him that right.
Quote from: Dumpster Dan on December 29, 2024, 08:20:14 PMThe title of this is facing the Philly backups next week.
Do we really think that Philly is going to play backups with Barkley going for the record??
Dumpster Dan
They will on Def, Dan. Barkley needs 101 yards to secure the record; with the Giants run defense, he could have that by half time.
Quote from: kingm56 on December 29, 2024, 08:10:43 PMWhat's the point of your pedantic question? Are you accusing the Giants of having a low IQ for 'failing' to lose todays game? You've had some hot takes over the years, but this may be your best.
I haven't put you down in any of this, however not once but twice you took the liberty to put me down.
First with your calling my question "pedantic" and not answering it.
Second, then putting me down a second time using the expression "your hot takes" and "this may be your best."
Once again, I haven't done that to you, but you did it to me.
So instead of answering my original question, which was, "Is having the overall #1 pick more valuable than the 4th overall pick?
You decided to put me down and personally attack me.
And I know why you did it, because if you honestly had answered the question, it would have refuted you, and you cannot have that.
I won't be responding to you anymore.
Quote from: sxdxca38 on December 29, 2024, 08:26:41 PMI haven't put you down in any of this, however not once but twice you took the liberty to put me down.
First with your calling my question "pedantic" and not answering it.
Second, then putting me down a second time using the expression "your hot takes" and "this may be your best."
Once again, I haven't done that to you, but you did it to me.
So instead of answering my original question, which was, "Is having the overall #1 pick more valuable than the 4th overall pick?
You decided to put me down and personally attack me.
And I know why you did it, because if you honestly had answered the question, it would have refuted you, and you cannot have that.
I won't be responding to you anymore.
Your question was insulting, juvenile, and entirely pointless (i.e. pedantic) — its akin to asking whether $1 or $1,000 is more valuable. Worse, the premise is DEEPLY flawed; it's not the "trap" you envisioned. Fundamentally, you're holding the Giants accountable for winning today while absurdly claiming that those involved have "a low IQ." Yet, here you are, attempting to occupy moral high ground. The irony is amusing...
I started out unhappy with this win but on reflection I am happy with it. I dont want either Sanders or Ward. I prefer BPS for 1st round and QB hunting after. This plays to that.
Quote from: Philosophers on December 29, 2024, 10:58:17 PMI started out unhappy with this win but on reflection I am happy with it. I dont want either Sanders or Ward. I prefer BPS for 1st round and QB hunting after. This plays to that.
Same with me, Joe.
Simple, and honest (as I don't watch college football) question, are either Ward or Sanders "the guy"?
From reading some media I baulk at the thought of being part of the Sanders circus, he also comes across as a me-first character.
Ward, no clue.
Some insights from those with such insight please?
M
Quote from: MagicRat on December 30, 2024, 01:40:52 AMSimple, and honest (as I don't watch college football) question, are either Ward or Sanders "the guy"?
From reading some media I baulk at the thought of being part of the Sanders circus, he also comes across as a me-first character.
Ward, no clue.
Some insights from those with such insight please?
M
From what I've read here they are both in the JJ, Penix and Nix bracket rather than Williams, Daniels or Maye.
So hard to say if they are the guy if the Giants didn't think so last year.
Quote from: Philosophers on December 29, 2024, 10:58:17 PMI started out unhappy with this win b
ut on reflection I am happy with it. I dont want either Sanders or Ward. I prefer BPS for 1st round and QB hunting after. This plays to that.
I also agree with you and usually advocate taking the best player available. But unfortunately, we have too many holes to fill and establishing both our OL and DL have to take priority. Maybe the best player available would be at one of those positions. Also, it all depends on what is doing in free agency . We do have money, but not at the top of the heap. I think we have the 15th best cap space.
I would start by finding out if Evan Neal can be a starting guard for us . Mekhi Becton made the change , and he was a bigger bust . . With the 4th pick Mason Graham and/or Kevin Banks could be available, certainly Banks will be . I would do a ," Sherlock Holmes " investigation about him to see if he is capable of becoming an All Pro Right tackle . I don't care if you have to talk to his Pop Warner coach , but nothing should be left unturned.
My fear is that if Schoen is retained , he will trade up to get either Ward or Sanders and give up needed draft picks both this year and next. Hopefully Mr. Tisch will not allow that !!!
All I want next year is for the Giants to be competitive . I don't have the vision that they will be a playoff team but I want to see significant progress for playoff chances in 2026 and beyond.
Quote from: kingm56 on December 29, 2024, 08:10:43 PMWhat's the point of your pedantic question? Are you accusing the Giants of having a low IQ for 'failing' to lose todays game? You've had some hot takes over the years, but this may be your best.
Quote from: kingm56 on December 29, 2024, 08:36:49 PMYour question was insulting, juvenile, and entirely pointless (i.e. pedantic) — its akin to asking whether $1 or $1,000 is more valuable. Worse, the premise is DEEPLY flawed; it's not the "trap" you envisioned. Fundamentally, you're holding the Giants accountable for winning today while absurdly claiming that those involved have "a low IQ." Yet, here you are, attempting to occupy moral high ground. The irony is amusing...
Matt,
Knock off the trolling and bad behavior.
Is pedantic an insult?
Pedantic is an insulting word used to describe someone who annoys others by correcting small errors, caring too much about minor details, or emphasizing their own expertise, especially in some narrow or boring subject matter.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedantic
Quote from: Just_jimmy on December 29, 2024, 04:18:59 PMWe're an absolute xxxx show. We're the worst franchise in the league and it's not even close.
I wish Mara would sell up and go.
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Were you so upset a few years back when the Eagles tanked in their final game not allowing us to pick Chase Young from Ohio State? We had to settle for Andrew Thomas a few picks later . Lamar Jackson was the 32nd pick in the 2018 draft and Patrick Mahomes was the 10th pick in the 2017 draft.
Other than Patrick Mahomes no QB taken in the first round has ever won a Super Bowl since Matthew Stafford drafted in 2009.