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"You'd rather your team go out there and fight for every inch than lay down and just take an ass-whooping.
Yeah, you get your pick that you wanted, but what is that player coming into? You've got to establish some sort of culture.
We're trying to establish a culture that can lead into next year. Once we get more pieces in here...I'm sure everything will still work out how this franchise needs it to work out."
I respect that. I expect that. It's been said many times that players don't give two shits about the draft. That's for fans and draftniks.
I don't disagree with him. I'm happy for the players.
Good for him for trying. I still think this win will have as much effect on establishing a winning culture as their preseason win against Detroit. It's nice to win. Decision makers have to be able to see the forest for the trees.
Jermaine is new here. So he doesn't understand. It's fine. However....Jermaine, if I may...
They do this every damn year!! How much has the "winning culture" they've built by screwing themselves over every December helped? Maybe just ONCE we can try it the other way and actually..ya know...HELP the future of the team.
Quote from: Gmo11 on December 30, 2024, 09:23:38 AMJermaine is new here. So he doesn't understand. It's fine. However....Jermaine, if I may...
They do this every damn year!! How much has the "winning culture" they've built by screwing themselves over every December helped? Maybe just ONCE we can try it the other way and actually..ya know...HELP the future of the team.
That is the Giant Way
Treat their fans to a terrible season that is over by Halloween.
Win a few meaningless games to tank the draft position and have a chance to make a significant difference via the draft.
Rinse, repeat
Quote from: MightyGiants on December 30, 2024, 08:58:14 AMhttps://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1873496949313167608
"You'd rather your team go out there and fight for every inch than lay down and just take an ass-whooping.
Yeah, you get your pick that you wanted, but what is that player coming into? You've got to establish some sort of culture.
We're trying to establish a culture that can lead into next year. Once we get more pieces in here...I'm sure everything will still work out how this franchise needs it to work out."
As an offensive lineman, brought in to be part of SI#1:
"Fix the Damned Offensive Line!"
I have great respect for him and his endeavor.
Furthermore, he's absolutely right!
This week's SI#1 Balanced Scorecard Rating: BLUE (Trending UP).
Peace!
Quote from: MightyGiants on December 30, 2024, 09:30:33 AMThat is the Giant Way
Treat their fans to a terrible season that is over by Halloween.
Win a few meaningless games to tank the draft position and have a chance to make a significant difference via the draft.
Rinse, repeat
Give him a few more years of Drew Lock or Jameis Winston or whatever bum plays QB next year for the Giants and he'll look back on this Colts game with a whole new perspective.
The league has to switch to a draft lottery to get rid of the incentive to tank. We just witnessed one of the greatest ever performances by QB and most of the board is miserable today.
Rest assured the Eagles will have no problem next week helping us establish the winning culture that Eleumenor speaks of.
He acts as if going 3-14 instead of 2-15 is going to make a difference in the teams culture. Frankly our culture sucks. He and his teammates repeatedly didn't show up for games weeks at a time this year. Give me a break.
Quote from: madbadger on December 30, 2024, 11:58:55 AMHe acts as if going 3-14 instead of 2-15 is going to make a difference in the teams culture. Frankly our culture sucks. He and his teammates repeatedly didn't show up for games weeks at a time this year. Give me a break.
That's another good point. Where the hell was the precious culture during the 10 game losing streak? They couldn't be bothered to even show up for more than half the games this year but somehow beating a Colts team that put out one of the worst performances of their season is going to carry over? Please.
Quote from: MightyGiants on December 30, 2024, 09:30:33 AMThat is the Giant Way
Treat their fans to a terrible season that is over by Halloween.
Win a few meaningless games to tank the draft position and have a chance to make a significant difference via the draft.
Rinse, repeat
Obviously, Eluemunor is just a stooge, huh Rich? Still, it seems that you may no longer be capable of doing much more than adding to the negativity, the bitching, the moaning and the whining. I keep trying to believe that you have more to offer than that sort of incessant self-deprecation or is it more like self-pitying. It's hardly becoming to your position and certainly most folks here don't need your help in that regard. There may even be some who might hope to see a Mighty-er-Giant in the future. Could you possibly give that a thought?
Cheers!
Quote from: Gmo11 on December 30, 2024, 12:19:20 PMThat's another good point. Where the hell was the precious culture during the 10 game losing streak? They couldn't be bothered to even show up for more than half the games this year but somehow beating a Colts team that put out one of the worst performances of their season is going to carry over? Please.
Agreed, GMO; there is no correlation to winning a few meaningless games at the end of the season to the subsequent years. Fundamentally, it does not matter. However, from an individual perspective, some of these men are playing for thier careers.
Quote from: Painter on December 30, 2024, 12:20:49 PMObviously, Eluemunor is just a stooge, huh Rich? Still, it seems that you may no longer be capable of doing much more than adding to the negativity, the bitching, the moaning and the whining. I keep trying to believe that you have more to offer than that sort of incessant self-deprecation or is it more like self-pitying. It's hardly becoming to your position and certainly most folks here don't need your help in that regard. There may even be some who might hope to see a Mighty-er-Giant in the future. Could you possibly give that a thought?
Cheers!
Larry,
For the first time in years, I see a lot to be optimistic about. We have the NFLs best rookie class as our foundation; get the right QB and we can become next year's Commanders.
Quote from: kingm56 on December 30, 2024, 12:22:33 PMAgreed, GMO; there is no correlation to winning a few meaningless games at the end of the season to the subsequent years. Fundamentally, it does not matter. However, from an individual perspective, some of these mem are playing for thier careers.
Oh I don't blame any of the players to be clear. I'm lashing out at his comments after the game like this was somehow doing us a favor. That pissed me off. But i don't blame the players for trying that's their job. I wish they would have tried to win a few more games earlier in the year before the season was completely lost.
I blame Schoen for not putting Nabers on IR the second he said his ankle hurt a little bit. As soon as you have an excuse to throw that dude on IR you do it. It's your JOB to think about the future of the team. It's the players' job to win the game regardless of anything else. Now I don't if maybe Nabers demanded to play or would have been furious to be held back and they didn't want to infuriate their best playercausing a ruckus in the locker room and media. But he should not have played in that game if it was at all possible to prevent it.
Quote from: Gmo11 on December 30, 2024, 12:31:27 PMOh I don't blame any of the players to be clear. I'm lashing out at his comments after the game like this was somehow doing us a favor. That pissed me off. But i don't blame the players for trying that's their job. I wish they would have tried to win a few more games earlier in the year before the season was completely lost.
I blame Schoen for not putting Nabers on IR the second he said his ankle hurt a little bit. As soon as you have an excuse to throw that dude on IR you do it. It's your JOB to think about the future of the team. It's the players' job to win the game regardless of anything else. Now I don't if maybe Nabers demanded to play or would have been furious to be held back and they didn't want to infuriate their best playercausing a ruckus in the locker room and media. But he should not have played in that game if it was at all possible to prevent it.
Fair enough, my friend. I recognize your outstanding track record and always appreciate your perspective.
Quote from: Gmo11 on December 30, 2024, 09:23:38 AMJermaine is new here. So he doesn't understand. It's fine. However....Jermaine, if I may...
They do this every damn year!! How much has the "winning culture" they've built by screwing themselves over every December helped? Maybe just ONCE we can try it the other way and actually..ya know...HELP the future of the team.
Gm: The counter to your argument (I agree with it, but...) is the issue of whether our crack scouts have any f-'n' idea who's most likely to be a good player, or are they just guessing. Worse yet, I fear this organization would rather have certain types of players than win.
Mostly (during this century) we've been victims of what I call "Giants luck" (i.e., no luck at all) and we have gotten aced out by (for example) having the 6th pick in a draft with five sure-fire prospects.
But when we have actually had a choice, a lot more often than not we have picked the wrong guy or passed over a guy who really would have been a far better choice... all too often for spurious or unexplained reasons (some of which I strongly suspect to be true but will not discuss). Bob
The "Building a culture" by winning meaningless games in December has been proven to be first rate BS. Each off season there is a reset. Of course the players will and should play hard to win but the reality is, winning at this point only hurts the team.
Quote from: Bob In PA on December 30, 2024, 12:33:58 PMGm: The counter to your argument (I agree with it, but...) is the issue of whether our crack scouts have any f-'n' idea who's most likely to be a good player, or are they just guessing. Worse yet, I fear this organization would rather have certain types of players than win.
Mostly (during this century) we've been victims of what I call "Giants luck" (i.e., no luck at all) and we have gotten aced out by (for example) having the 6th pick in a draft with five sure-fire prospects.
But when we have actually had a choice, a lot more often than not we have picked the wrong guy or passed over a guy who really would have been a far better choice... all too often for spurious or unexplained reasons (some of which I strongly suspect to be true but will not discuss). Bob
Last year we saw on hard knocks they nailed the evaluations of Drake Maye and Jayden Daniels. They were willing to trade up for either of those guys and if the other teams had been open to such a deal they'd have done it. That gives me confidence that at the very least these guys can evaluate QBs. If they had taken Ward or Sanders at #1 I would have believed they knew what they were doing. IF they trade a thousand picks now to go get one now that they're desperate... I'll know that they don't.
Quote from: Gmo11 on December 30, 2024, 12:41:56 PMLast year we saw on hard knocks they nailed the evaluations of Drake Maye and Jayden Daniels. They were willing to trade up for either of those guys and if the other teams had been open to such a deal they'd have done it. That gives me confidence that at the very least these guys can evaluate QBs. If they had taken Ward or Sanders at #1 I would have believed they knew what they were doing. IF they trade a thousand picks now to go get one now that they're desperate... I'll know that they don't.
Spot on! The more I watch Drake, the more I like his game. I think he's going to be a good one...
Quote from: Painter on December 30, 2024, 12:20:49 PMObviously, Eluemunor is just a stooge, huh Rich? Still, it seems that you may no longer be capable of doing much more than adding to the negativity, the bitching, the moaning and the whining. I keep trying to believe that you have more to offer than that sort of incessant self-deprecation or is it more like self-pitying. It's hardly becoming to your position and certainly most folks here don't need your help in that regard. There may even be some who might hope to see a Mighty-er-Giant in the future. Could you possibly give that a thought?
Cheers!
Larry,
I appreciate and admire your stoicism; I really do. First off, I know that having watched football for longer than Eluemunor has been on the planet, culture doesn't carry over from season to season. It needs to be built each season, and frankly, losing 1000s of points in draft capital isn't worth the minor and perhaps meaningless "culture" for the 2024 season.
I try to maintain balance, though, for the benefit of people like yourself. That is why I posted this. I didn't care about it, but I try giving both sides an equal voice.
Sorry, Rich. I do appreciate your comments, but you are ducking the point. There is no reason why any of us should reject Eluemunor's sentiments except for our own petulance. As I admire your hard work, and often thankless effort in our behalf, I was disappointed to see you dismiss a rare positive explanation and thus appear to support the lame puppy whining and sobbing barks that now seem to characterize BBH and Giants fans in general.
If we can't muster a more positive less adenoidal attitude going forward, why should expect to see even marginal improvement, much less real competitiveness? Or is it that we always will have scapegoats, so why bother? No, we have to be better than that, and I'm sure we are.
Cheers!