If true, this is BS. Dude was very good before Bowen came aboard.
https://www.bigblueview.com/2025/3/5/24378486/bobby-okereke-a-surprise-new-york-giants-cut-candidate
https://x.com/TheGiantsWire/status/1897376689497268560?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Mr G: To me, all of the rumors/leaks the past few days point to the Giants trading up fore Abdul Carter first ver all. Obviously, it's unclear whether they are false rumors to disguise the team's actual intent, actual leaks showing utter incompetence by the "braintrust" or merely stuff being made up out of whole cloth because it's silly season. Bob
At #3, they will come away with a very good player. Trading up is the worst possible scenario for me :boooo:
I saw these reports, but I didn't bring them here because from a salary cap perspective there is almost nothing to gain by cutting him.
The Giants would save $3.5 million (minus the cost of his replacement)
Against creating nearly $11 million in dead cap money.
The wind blew, the xxxx flew, and we couldn't see for an inch or two. As Jughead used to say: Relax, Archie, Relax.
Cheers!
Quote from: WheresDayne on March 06, 2025, 08:47:34 AMAt #3, they will come away with a very good player. Trading up is the worst possible scenario for me :boooo:
Dayne: Yes, but IMO the REAL nightmare is trading up FOR A QB. However, if they do that I'll also be a bit excited because Shoen and Daboll already have one foot on a banana peel, so it would mean they have a very high degree of confidence (hooray!) or desperation (ugh!) about the QB they choose. Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on March 06, 2025, 09:17:15 AMDayne: Yes, but IMO the REAL nightmare is trading up FOR A QB. However, if they do that I'll also be a bit excited because Shoen and Daboll already have one foot on a banana peel, so it would mean they have a very high degree of confidence (hooray!) or desperation (ugh!) about the QB they choose. Bob
Did you mean excited or shiited? :P
Cheers!
Quote from: Painter on March 06, 2025, 09:27:37 AMDid you mean excited or shiited? :P
Larry: First question you ever asked me that I can't answer. Best choice as of today is... probably both. Bob
https://x.com/carlbanksgiii/status/1897751553051689168?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 06, 2025, 04:51:04 PMhttps://x.com/carlbanksgiii/status/1897751553051689168?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
I would have to strongly agree.
Get rid of Bowen not our best LB
What exactly does Banks mean when he says "first real ILB the last 16 yrs"?
If it's what I think it means then it's extremely disrespectful to all those who worked and gave their best for 16 yrs - whatever their best was.
Quote from: Trench on March 06, 2025, 06:37:31 PMWhat exactly does Banks mean when he says "first real ILB the last 16 yrs"?
If it's what I think it means then it's extremely disrespectful to all those who worked and gave their best for 16 yrs - whatever their best was.
I'm assuming because we haven't had many good ILBs in quite some time. Aside from Antonio Pierce, who else have we had since that has been able to play at a medium to high level?
We had Martinez for a year I guess, guys like Jameel McClain and Jon Beason were also short lived, solid but not spectacular.
Just hasn't been a position of strength for us.
He had a very lackluster year. idk if it was the scheme or whatever, but he looked lost and uninterested.
Quote from: B1GBLUE on March 07, 2025, 04:35:35 PMHe had a very lackluster year. idk if it was the scheme or whatever, but he looked lost and uninterested.
So did most players on that D. Bowen is not a fit for this personell.
Bowen could have used Okereke better. Okereke could have handled it better (by late season he was checked out). The real fault is the process and decision-making that saw us switch from an ultra aggressive DC in Martindale to a much more passive, bend don't break guy in Bowen. That built in a lack of continuity and increased the risk of wide variance in individual performance. We can only hope it settles down a bit year two in Bowen's scheme as Okereke and others understand it better and adapt.
Bowen should have been jettisoned after last year and either Patterson should have moved up or a new young DC hired
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 07, 2025, 04:14:46 PMI'm assuming because we haven't had many good ILBs in quite some time. Aside from Antonio Pierce, who else have we had since that has been able to play at a medium to high level?
We had Martinez for a year I guess, guys like Jameel McClain and Jon Beason were also short lived, solid but not spectacular.
Just hasn't been a position of strength for us.
It's just very petty for a former player of Banks stature with the platform he has to make a such an alienating, hurtful and unnecessary statement.
He should be better
Quote from: Trench on March 08, 2025, 12:18:14 AMIt's just very petty for a former player of Banks stature with the platform he has to make a such an alienating, hurtful and unnecessary statement.
He should be better
This is football, these are tough men, and he's not wrong. He is the best Mike since Pierce. His point however was the source was suspect.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 08, 2025, 07:30:25 AMThis is football, these are tough men, and he's not wrong. He is the best Mike since Pierce. His point however was the source was suspect.
Ed, I 100% agree with everything you stated and appreciate the debate. I just think it's beneath him to say it publicly as an elite Giant who also has a working relationship with the current players. Just because none of the former ILB weren't elite doesn't mean they didn't give all they had which is all we ask. I don't think Eli would ever publicly post something like that within the QB fraternity. Once a Giant, always a Giant wouldn't use the phrase Banks used. My own opinion as a huge Banks fan.
Quote from: Trench on March 08, 2025, 08:33:34 AMEd, I 100% agree with everything you stated and appreciate the debate. I just think it's beneath him to say it publicly as an elite Giant who also has a working relationship with the current players. Just because none of the former ILB weren't elite doesn't mean they didn't give all they had which is all we ask. I don't think Eli would ever publicly post something like that within the QB fraternity. Once a Giant, always a Giant wouldn't use the phrase Banks used. My own opinion as a huge Banks fan.
Except he isn't getting paid to be an elite Giant, he's getting paid to share his football knowledge. Very few know the linebacker position better than Carl. Players get critiqued by media all the time, it just so happens that this media person is a relative expert on the subject.
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 08, 2025, 09:23:33 AMExcept he isn't getting paid to be an elite Giant, he's getting paid to share his football knowledge. Very few know the linebacker position better than Carl. Players get critiqued by media all the time, it just so happens that this media person is a relative expert on the subject.
But I think Banks stated that more as an ex Giant than a professional evaluator
He really fell off last year .but why? The scheme? Maybe. Was very good under Wink..Bowen is not showing me much.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on March 08, 2025, 11:11:32 AMHe really fell off last year .but why? The scheme? Maybe. Was very good under Wink..Bowen is not showing me much.
This is a GREAT question!!!
Quote from: MrGap92 on March 06, 2025, 04:57:56 PMI would have to strongly agree.
Get rid of Bowen not our best LB
The 2 are not mutually exclusive. He can be our best LB and still no be good enough. I for one expected a lot more out of Okerke and have been disappointed. Our Best LB? Yeah, and every circus has a tallest midget.
Bobby Okereke played in 5 less games last season. He had 400 less snaps, all in the BOX. Relatively speaking, he was asked to play more coverage in Man/Zone than the previous season. He had 100 less Pass Rush Attempts, but his Pass Rush grade was 24 points higher than 2023. His tackling stats dropped by 40 tackles.
Bobby Okereke did what he was asked to do, and he was out 5 games due to injury. It ain't him. I agree, get rid of Bowen.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 08, 2025, 01:10:37 PMBobby Okereke played in 5 less games last season. He had 400 less snaps, all in the BOX. Relatively speaking, he was asked to play more coverage in Man/Zone than the previous season. He had 100 less Pass Rush Attempts, but his Pass Rush grade was 24 points higher than 2023. His tackling stats dropped by 40 tackles.
Bobby Okereke did what he was asked to do, and he was out 5 games due to injury. It ain't him. I agree, get rid of Bowen.
Bowen CLEARLY stunk up the joint last year. Took him 5 games to begin to make any sort of adjustment. Our DBs went backwards (especially Banks), Okereke went from snubbed Pro Bowl player to mediocre (and as stated before probably wasn't his fault), and I never ever saw so many runs for big yardage straight up the gut for huge gains (even when Dex was on the field)...not to mention Thibs non existent.
Bowen did not make us better.
Quote from: Trench on March 08, 2025, 10:33:48 AMBut I think Banks stated that more as an ex Giant than a professional evaluator
Well none of us can presume his POV while making the statement.
I'll take his football expertise over a whole lot of ex-players as well as ex-coaches and all other media who cover football. I'm glad he made the statement because he's supporting Okereke in the process of stating the fact.
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 08, 2025, 03:37:22 PMWell none of us can presume his POV while making the statement.
I'll take his football expertise over a whole lot of ex-players as well as ex-coaches and all other media who cover football. I'm glad he made the statement because he's supporting Okereke in the process of stating the fact.
He was literally comparing a player to himself. I think it's safe to assume the point of view he was taking.
In all my years being a fan, I can't remember ever a time where an announcer compared another player to himself. It's kinda strange the more I think about it
Quote from: Trench on March 08, 2025, 04:12:13 PMHe was literally comparing a player to himself. I think it's safe to assume the point of view he was taking.
In all my years being a fan, I can't remember ever a time where an announcer compared another player to himself. It's kinda strange the more I think about it
I read his comment. He said that #58 was the last *real ILB* to wear Blue in 16 years....Do the math: Did Carl play 16 years ago? For that matter wasn't Carl an OLB? He was talking about ILB #58 Antonio Pierce.
I suggest you re-read his comments.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 08, 2025, 01:10:37 PMBobby Okereke played in 5 less games last season. He had 400 less snaps, all in the BOX. Relatively speaking, he was asked to play more coverage in Man/Zone than the previous season. He had 100 less Pass Rush Attempts, but his Pass Rush grade was 24 points higher than 2023. His tackling stats dropped by 40 tackles.
Bobby Okereke did what he was asked to do, and he was out 5 games due to injury. It ain't him. I agree, get rid of Bowen.
Ed: Great facts. They tell you all you need to know. Bowen's D and Okereke are not a perfect match. Bob
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 08, 2025, 04:45:45 PMI read his comment. He said that #58 was the last *real ILB* to wear Blue in 16 years....Do the math: Did Carl play 16 years ago? For that matter wasn't Carl an OLB? He was talking about ILB #58 Antonio Pierce.
I suggest you re-read his comments.
Andrew I was mistaken thank u for clarifying. I sincerely thought he was talking about himself
Don't give it a second thought. We all misread sometimes.