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Yay !!!
He gives you position flexibility. He's got a chance to be a solid guard who can give you some reps at tackle in an emergency. I preferred Frazier if they wanted a true guard or Cam Williams at tackle. Hard to complain about the pick though.
Rivers was taken right in front of the Giants. Wonder if they would have taken Mbow if both were there. Regardless, solid pick.
Joe Schoen is putting on a clinic in this draft!
Schoen is really flexing his ability to draft when left to being the final decision maker!!
Scouting Report: Strengths
Displays exceptional lateral agility for his size, moving with the grace of a much smaller man when pulling or reaching the second level in zone schemes
Brings a wrestler's mentality to finishing blocks, routinely driving defenders into the turf and maintaining engagement through the whistle
Shows advanced hand technique in pass protection, delivering a jarring initial punch while maintaining active hands throughout the rep
Demonstrates rare positional versatility, having started games at both guard and tackle while showing the mental acuity to handle multiple positions
Exhibits outstanding spatial awareness when working in space, consistently identifying and engaging targets on screens and pulls
Natural knee bender who maintains leverage throughout reps, maximizing his functional strength despite a relatively light frame
Possesses quick-twitch athleticism that shows up in his kick-slide, allowing him to mirror speed rushers effectively
Takes smart angles in the run game, particularly when working combo blocks and climbing to the second level
Scouting Report: Weaknesses
Lacks ideal length for tackle, with 33-inch arms that could limit his effectiveness against longer NFL edge rushers
Shows occasional tendency to drop his head on contact, particularly when dealing with quick-penetrating defensive tackles
Struggles to maintain anchor against power rushers, getting walked back into the pocket more often than you'd like to see
Weight concerns at 300 pounds could limit scheme fit, particularly in power-based run schemes where mass is at a premium
Pass protection technique at tackle remains raw, with inconsistent timing and hand placement leading to some ugly reps
Scouting Report: Summary
Looking ahead, Mbow projects as a fascinating evaluation for NFL teams. His athletic profile and versatility scream modern NFL offensive lineman, but his optimal position remains a subject of debate. In a zone-heavy scheme, he could develop into a starting tackle, though his immediate impact might come at guard where his length limitations are less exposed.
The team that ultimately selects Mbow will be getting a scheme-diverse lineman with legitimate three-position flexibility. His combination of light feet and nasty finishing attitude will endear him to offensive line coaches, while his experience in both gap and zone schemes provides valuable scheme versatility. While he may need time to develop, particularly if asked to play tackle, his ceiling as a potential starter at multiple positions makes him an intriguing day two prospect.
In an NFL that increasingly values positional flexibility and athletic traits along the offensive line, Mbow represents a new breed of lineman. His best football likely remains ahead of him, particularly if paired with a coaching staff willing to be patient with his development.
Verstile, can play several positions, doesn't need to start immediately, could develop into a plus starter on the OL
Very welcome addition to this draft class
Some game film on Mbow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxZVcDQ74mI
Just my take but I think he could be a pro bowl center and possibly guard if developed or an average tackle.
I think he can play center. IF JMS doesn't improve he could be a
potential replacement.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 26, 2025, 02:46:38 PMJoe Schoen is putting on a clinic in this draft!
I agree Dave
Quote from: bighitterdalama on April 26, 2025, 02:49:03 PMSome game film on Mbow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxZVcDQ74mI
Watching that film, he seems to be very light on his feet for a 300 lb gorilla. A dancing bear one might say. He does appear to have a violent streak in his game. Violence is good! lol
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 26, 2025, 02:52:51 PMJust my take but I think he could be a pro bowl center and possibly guard if developed or an average tackle.
I'm sure he'll be groomed for inside, but it's nice to have a fall back at tackle in certain occasions. Seems like a really good pickup for us. This draft is out of the world crazy this year. It's almost as if "Needs meets BPA" in every round...thus far that is
https://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1916202634182078704
https://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1916204144387309754
I can see him finding a Guard Spot or Center by 2026. Twinkle toes, can pull, is a tenacious blocker when locked on, will not sit idle but will find someone to engage at the next level. At his size, Center may be a good fit for him. He can easily put on 25 lbs.
https://x.com/Dan_Salomone/status/1916207670790664243
The Giants NEEDED to exit this draft with the offensive line talent upgraded.
Mbow's talent and versatility provides immediate depth with growth opportunity for situational packages in the short term, and increased playing time should he develop NFL capability as a center or, better yet, Andrew Thomas' backup.
A nice development opportunity for Carmen Bricillo to turn him into a main-stayer for the offensive line.
Well done, Joe and the scouting team!
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 02:57:27 PMhttps://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1916204144387309754
My reply to Schneier's use of the word "somehow" --> because they knew which one to pick 1st. That's how. Bob
https://x.com/Dan_Salomone/status/1916208228528230831
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 03:08:42 PMhttps://x.com/Dan_Salomone/status/1916207670790664243
Good answer
https://x.com/CJScoobs/status/1890584027943301514
https://x.com/CJScoobs/status/1911254493305450651
https://x.com/CJScoobs/status/1911258374232064241
Draft Buzz has him listed as an OT, but do to his arm length probably on the inside somewhere. They had him as a late 2nd rounder.
Looking ahead, Mbow projects as a fascinating evaluation for NFL teams. His athletic profile and versatility scream modern NFL offensive lineman, but his optimal position remains a subject of debate. In a zone-heavy scheme, he could develop into a starting tackle, though his immediate impact might come at guard where his length limitations are less exposed.
The team that ultimately selects Mbow will be getting a scheme-diverse lineman with legitimate three-position flexibility. His combination of light feet and nasty finishing attitude will endear him to offensive line coaches, while his experience in both gap and zone schemes provides valuable scheme versatility. While he may need time to develop, particularly if asked to play tackle, his ceiling as a potential starter at multiple positions makes him an intriguing day two prospect.
https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Marcus-Mbow-OL-Purdue
I said this in the skatebo thread
But man what a great draft !
Even if some of these players don't pan out ... I think arguably we can say most of the fanbase who follows the draft would have been going this same route
Schoen did great
It may be crazy to say , but I wouldn't be surprised if his son follows message boards and stuff and relays the info to his dad lol
https://x.com/NoFlagsFilm/status/1878431707734454318
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 03:14:20 PMhttps://x.com/CJScoobs/status/1911254493305450651
It's not necessarily size... it's forward power, and need for more sand in his pants on pass pro.
On the other hand, that is part of the reason why he's so "mobile" for an o-lineman.
If he can put on some weight w/out losing the winning qualities he has, he has a shot at being really good.
Bob
Quote from: killarich on April 26, 2025, 03:21:55 PMI said this in the skatebo thread
But man what a great draft !
Even if some of these players don't pan out ... I think arguably we can say most of the fanbase who follows the draft would have been going this same route
Schoen did great
It may be crazy to say , but I wouldn't be surprised if his son follows message boards and stuff and relays the info to his dad lol
k-rich: That's what worries me... the fanbase (us) likes what Schoen did. Are we really that smart? lol
https://x.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1916192840646070327
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 26, 2025, 03:24:46 PMk-rich: That's what worries me... the fanbase (us) likes what Schoen did. Are we really that smart? lol
lol I feel where you are coming from
But I'm sure if our collective minds ran the draft when Gettlemen was GM the Giants would have better prospects
The one thing I was totally wrong at during Gettlemans era was Thomas .... The draft that year tackle was deep .....out of the 4 top tackles I had Thomas as the 4th best ... boy am I half I was wrong
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 03:24:51 PMhttps://x.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1916192840646070327
I've got something to say about this. I always suspect collusion of some sort in a monopoly, which NFL is.
Not an allegation, but a comment that somethings things happen in the league that are highly suspicious.
More generally, ever notice that when a few things go right, a lot of things seem to go right?
Bob
Wow. And they got a swing tackle too..great depth guy..wow ..two of my guys ..wow
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 03:14:20 PMhttps://x.com/CJScoobs/status/1911254493305450651
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a penalty for ineligible receiver downfield in the NFL?
Wow. My two guys back to back..not bad my friends.... :ok: :knockONwood:
He's a great technician..and can swing from guard to tackle. Remember..the NFL is going 18 games soon..need versatility and depth..especially on the line. Great value. Awesome draft.
What are his alleged health issues?
Quote from: jimc on April 26, 2025, 03:42:19 PMWhat are his alleged health issues?
Surgical rod in his leg.
They announced him as a guard.
I really hope that Daboll and co don't play musical chairs the entire training camp again and let's them stick to one position.
My hope is that Mbow follows Eluemunor around like a shadow and soaks up everything. That's who he needs to be, a great guard with tackle flex.
Mbow listed at 303 lbs. Small? Not everyone is 338. And he can add a fewe lbs. IMO he'll be ok!!
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 26, 2025, 03:43:14 PMSurgical rod in his leg.
I can't find any details of the injury, Bob. All I see is that it was a catastrophic injury and he missed the rest of the 2023 season, Then came back even better, starting all 12 games in 2024.
He's a tech OL..perfect swing guy with the grind.. absolutely..guys get hurt..AT you cant rely on anymore..let's face it.
Really hard to find fault with this draft
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 26, 2025, 03:56:26 PMI can't find any details of the injury, Bob. All I see is that it was a catastrophic injury and he missed the rest of the 2023 season, Then came back even better, starting all 12 games in 2024.
Ed: Hope I'm not wrong, but I'm sure I read just today that it was a long surgical rod in his leg. There were no details. So I called a guy and (this is the "potato game") he said he called a coach who said broken leg against Iowa. Bob
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 26, 2025, 03:56:26 PMI can't find any details of the injury, Bob. All I see is that it was a catastrophic injury and he missed the rest of the 2023 season, Then came back even better, starting all 12 games in 2024.
Got it!
https://www.si.com/nfl/draft-news/player-profiles/marcus-mbow-2025-nfl-draft-purdue-sleeper
I don't think it's possible his agent hired someone to erase it from the Internet, but I don't rule anything out without evidence.
A player rolled up on his leg and he must have Superman's knees because the bone broke instead.
Bob
If they use him at guard does this mean say bye bye to Neal?
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 26, 2025, 04:20:18 PMGot it!
https://www.si.com/nfl/draft-news/player-profiles/marcus-mbow-2025-nfl-draft-purdue-sleeper
I don't think it's possible his agent hired someone to erase it from the Internet, but I don't rule anything out without evidence.
A player rolled up on his leg and he must have Superman's knees because the bone broke instead.
Bob
I saw that article, but missed the broken leg part. Nothing about a Rod but I heard that elsewhere too.
Quote from: LennG on April 26, 2025, 04:36:23 PMIf they use him at guard does this mean say bye bye to Neal?
At the end of the season, possibly. Neal's contract is fully guaranteed, so no cap benefit to cutting him.
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 26, 2025, 03:40:56 PMCorrect me if I'm wrong, but isn't that a penalty for ineligible receiver downfield in the NFL?
Saw this on the longer video I posted a bit back, Bob. Very much an illegal lineman downfield penalty.
Mbow v Carter
https://youtube.com/shorts/Vr8CPxm9_F8?si=A7uiUPZMNxDbk9D2
Love his sweeping push down punch 👏💪🏼👈🏼
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 26, 2025, 04:46:54 PMI saw that article, but missed the broken leg part. Nothing about a Rod but I heard that elsewhere too.
@Ed Vette All of this post is right out of the article:
Reasons for concern with Mbow's transition to the NFL
The biggest reason for concern surrounding Mbow is the broken leg he suffered in the Iowa game in Week 6 in 2023. His stint playing right tackle at Purdue was cut short because of this, and until he takes the field and puts out quality tape in 2024 there is no guarantee that he will rebound to full strength. However, given the tape he has put out, this is not yet a reason to knock him until it has proven a hinderance long-term.
There is also a reason to question how much lateral movement and agility Mbow possesses when he is asked to get wide to the perimeter and find work. On tape, there have been a few instances where he has struggled to work across the face of the man he is trying to scoop out and seal off. When he is working at the second level as well, his spacing is tremendous, but he does occasionally get beat to the spot when looking for work.
Bob
PS. After posting this, I realized you were not stating that you couldn't find it in the article, but rather saying you originally did not see the part about the broken leg. I decided to leave it up anyway.
Q. You said you were surprised that Mbow was there. Everyone kind of was. Was there any red flags medically that popped up that caused him to slide?
JOE SCHOEN: No, and we look at all the medical, and that information is shared so you have an idea of what other teams have on guys. And no, it wasn't — there were no real red flags from that standpoint. When you take these guys, sometimes you get texts from around the league from other personnel people or general managers if you took a guy they were going to take, and he's one that there were a lot of texts, just the value where we got him. I'm not really sure what happened, but glad he was there. That happens sometimes in the fourth round. We liked guys in the past and we've been able to get them in the fifth that maybe we had in the fourth.
https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1916335521749512260
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 27, 2025, 07:09:43 AMQ. You said you were surprised that Mbow was there. Everyone kind of was. Was there any red flags medically that popped up that caused him to slide?
JOE SCHOEN: No, and we look at all the medical, and that information is shared so you have an idea of what other teams have on guys. And no, it wasn't — there were no real red flags from that standpoint. When you take these guys, sometimes you get texts from around the league from other personnel people or general managers if you took a guy they were going to take, and he's one that there were a lot of texts, just the value where we got him. I'm not really sure what happened, but glad he was there. That happens sometimes in the fourth round. We liked guys in the past and we've been able to get them in the fifth that maybe we had in the fourth.
Rich: As a NOT doctor, it is my assumption, inasmuch as both what you posted and what I posted are true, that a broken leg with titanium in it is only a problem going through airport screening. lol Seriously, I think Schoen's point was that no knee joints, ligaments, etc. (the usual things that kill careers) were involved. Broken bones do heal in young people, provided they're treated promptly, with little or no future problems, unlike knee parts. Bob
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 27, 2025, 07:22:10 AMhttps://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1916335521749512260
Rich: I feared this would show Mbow abusing Carter like he did to everyone else in his highlight reel, Bob
https://x.com/gmengalaxy/status/1916215151306367255
Man imagine his team watching that tape on Monday.