I will use Bobby Skinner's top 10 for 2024
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Giants Top 10 Players in year 3 of Joe Schoen as GM (my opinion, make your own)
Dexter Lawrence-Gettleman Draft
Andrew Thomas-Gettleman Draft
Malik Nabers-Schoen Draft
Brian Burns-Schoen Trade
Bobby Okereke-Schoen FA
Kayvon Thibodeaux-Schoen Draft
Darius Slayton-Gettleman Draft
Jermaine Eluemunor-Schoen FA
Tyrone Tracy-Schoen Draft
Wan'Dale Robinson-Schoen Draft
For 2025
Dexter Lawerence
Malik Nabers
Andrew Thomas
Brian Burns
Abdul Carter (projected)
Now the next 5,, I will do two different ways
First PFF grades (with some flexibility
Dru Phillips
Russel Wilson
Jermaine Eluemunor
Wan'Dale Robinson
Bobby Okereke
Now there are players with the potential to push their way into the top 10
Cam Skattebo
Jevon Holland
Tyler Nubin
Kayvon Thibodeaux
Tyrone Tracy
On paper, there appears to be a significant upgrade in talent (or at least the potential for such) over last year's team
Forgot Paulson Adebo and Chauncey Golston as options. I will throw Deonte Banks in there as well, I've seen tape of him online with a new haircut working his ass off daily, and I expect a huge jump this season vs #2 Wrs.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 19, 2025, 03:37:40 PMForgot Paulson Adebo and Chauncey Golston as options. I will throw Deonte Banks in there as well, I've seen tape of him online with a new haircut working his ass off daily, and I expect a huge jump this season vs #2 Wrs.
Last year, after the first 4, you were really struggling to find guys worthy of the "top 10 talent" label. This year, it appears there could be competition for the top 10 title
We've been so caught up in the draft that I did a refresher on our FA guys by doing a few highlights.
Jevon Holland
https://x.com/4timers/status/1924217109112123814?t=2KNmDwH4C8AzYRNdRddcfQ&s=19
https://x.com/nickfalato/status/1899850115793215857?t=PhjgSLqCUbT90ZkJXd7Hzg&s=19
Chauncey Golston
https://x.com/Giants/status/1902072517730197829?t=WYl3u_EaL3Rp-BwS_nxiwQ&s=19
https://x.com/JustinPenik/status/1899305086846640375?t=UDqXYnGb9BBhb_KiiCx8Fw&s=19
Paulson Adebo
https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1899150447912645003?t=f5lBo_MiMVMhB2NSrSpStw&s=19
https://x.com/nickfalato/status/1899153911560151429?t=SJCpIB8W-uaHMe_smgnGNg&s=19
Arthur Dimukeje
The internet isn't fond of Dimukeje highlights so I'll put this here instead.
"Victor Dimukeje had a Pass Rush Win Rate of 22.2% in 2024 which was 5th in the entire NFL in 2024.
Also a 90.0 Pass Rush Grade on True Pass Sets which is 10th in 2024 and a 44.4 Pash Rush Win Rate on True Pass Sets which is 3rd in the NFL in 2024."
Jeremiah Ledbetter
https://x.com/MarshallGreen_/status/1900657128202768771?t=RqO0qIo8StMf0pfdVdAz9Q&s=19
Quote from: MightyGiants on May 19, 2025, 03:46:55 PMLast year, after the first 4, you were really struggling to find guys worthy of the "top 10 talent" label. This year, it appears there could be competition for the top 10 title
I agree, which is why I was actually excited by the schedule. Almost all the teams we face this year got worse and did not add talent.
Darius Slayton might be a sleeper, he isnt liked by many, but with the QB upgrade he could have a career year.
An oft forgotten player who I'm high on, is Elijah Chapman aka, "Baby Bison". 5'11" / 285 lbs and in the top 10 percentile of DTs for speed, top 25 percentile in 10-yd split and a 31-inch vertical jump...not to mention, he put up 32 reps of the 225 lb test. He is the strongest and the fastest DL on the Giants team. And he's tenacious and plays like an angry honey badger with his hair on fire. Being shorter, he's a problem for the offensive linemen to stay low enough to try and handle. He is going to have his day sometime in the future and a valuable piece of the defensive line
I'd love to him try a goal line as a RB
Anyway, I like him and hope he gets playing time this year. He's fun to watch
I am with you Jolly. Love this kid and hope he develops further as a top rotational player.
Another thing that doesn't get mentioned often is that Schoen has honestly done an amazing job structuring contracts so that we have the next several years with a core of about 20 guys that are great to elite. I think Golston, Adebo, Banks, Phillips, and Holland, really take a next step because they will have an elite line to work with.
This front 7 just looks nasty
Thibs / Okereke / McFadden / Burns
Golston / Dex / Alexander and/or Chatman
With Carter playing all over, and some vets for solid DL depth
Quote from: MrGap92 on May 20, 2025, 12:30:29 PMThis front 7 just looks nasty
Thibs / Okereke / McFadden / Burns
Golston / Dex / Alexander and/or Chatman
With Carter playing all over, and some vets for solid DL depth
I believe the run down defense will vary a lot to the the passing down defense. For instance I don't think McFadden sees the field despite on running downs even though he's gotten better year on year since he's been in the league.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 20, 2025, 03:42:38 PMI believe the run down defense will vary a lot to the the passing down defense. For instance I don't think McFadden sees the field despite on running downs even though he's gotten better year on year since he's been in the league.
I think the team wanted Ledbetter because of his ability to plug the hole and he's got a reputation as a run stopper. They'll probably rotate him with Golston and Chapman when they want to disrupt the passing game, and run with Ledbetter when facing teams that run the old school style of picking up 3 or 4 yards on the "pound and ground" game. Alexander will be interesting to see how he does with run stopping. We know he can get after the QB when not doubled. We also picked up veteran Roy-Robertson Harris, whose specialty is an excellent "run stopper". Should be a top front line this season. Lots of options
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on May 20, 2025, 04:54:41 PMI think the team wanted Ledbetter because of his ability to plug the hole and he's got a reputation as a run stopper. They'll probably rotate him with Golston and Chapman when they want to disrupt the passing game, and run with Ledbetter when facing teams that run the old school style of picking up 3 or 4 yards on the "pound and ground" game. Alexander will be interesting to see how he does with run stopping. We know he can get after the QB when not doubled. We also picked up veteran Roy-Robertson Harris, whose specialty is an excellent "run stopper". Should be a top front line this season. Lots of options
Alexander I believe had the 3rd best run stopping grade in college last year. I may need to double check that but pretty sure it is accurate. That and Carters grade was respectable around 78. Should be much improved, plus I like Ledbetter a lot more than most, specifically on running downs.
Genuine question:
We added at minimum 6 immediate impact players, with 3-4 having the potential to be elite in free agency.
We follow that up with 5 immediate impact Rookies in the draft with all of them having a high ceiling.
That's 11 new starters out of the possible 22. Yet evert ranking post draft has us in the bottom 3 typically. I understand having to see it to believe it, but most have stated we have the potential for a top 5 defense with an actual NFL starter at Qb. I dont think its a stretch to think that on paper, in my opnion, we are better than the Browns, Jags, Colts, Jets, Falcons, Panthers, Patriots, Saints, Titans, Cownoys, and Raiders.
Fan optimism or new reality?
Until new players fuse together nto an effective unit, talent acquisition means nothing
Quote from: Philosophers on May 21, 2025, 07:25:16 AMUntil new players fuse together nto an effective unit, talent acquisition means nothing
If the Cowboys or Eagles had the FA/Draft we did, then it would have been the resurrection of the 85 Bears defense everywhere in the media. I completely agree that talent needs time to gel and become a team but even if you take 5 minutes to put up each team I listed our depth chart is comparable or easily better.
I just get burnt out that we are laughed at as an organization(I understand some of that is earned with the play on the field) but when the organization does get it right and Aces Free Agency and the Draft it doesn't move the needle at all. We replaced half a football team with upgraded talent and we haven't moved at all in 99% of rankings.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 20, 2025, 09:11:01 PMGenuine question:
We added at minimum 6 immediate impact players, with 3-4 having the potential to be elite in free agency.
We follow that up with 5 immediate impact Rookies in the draft with all of them having a high ceiling.
That's 11 new starters out of the possible 22. Yet evert ranking post draft has us in the bottom 3 typically. I understand having to see it to believe it, but most have stated we have the potential for a top 5 defense with an actual NFL starter at Qb. I dont think its a stretch to think that on paper, in my opnion, we are better than the Browns, Jags, Colts, Jets, Falcons, Panthers, Patriots, Saints, Titans, Cownoys, and Raiders.
Fan optimism or new reality?
I think it's a little of both, optimism, but also realistic. Besides all the new players, we're a different team than last year with a healthy Thomas at left tackle, and we were just beginning to realize the potential of Theo Johnson before his injury setback on Thanksgiving. Even though his rookie season was cut short, he still put up 332 yds on 29 catches. He's not only bigger than the average TE in the NFL, he's a freak athlete, just learning the nuances of the NFL game. He was declared fit for practice in March and has been getting in shape, so there's that. Not to mention, we also lost Dex the last five games of the season
A healthy Thomas and Dex will go a long way towards respectability, and if Theo is 100%, and desperate to prove himself...you can add the return of those three to all the newbies which should add a shock-boost to the Giants this season...IMHO
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on May 21, 2025, 09:20:44 AMI think it's a little of both, optimism, but also realistic. Besides all the new players, we're a different team than last year with a healthy Thomas at left tackle, and we were just beginning to realize the potential of Theo Johnson before his injury setback on Thanksgiving. Even though his rookie season was cut short, he still put up 332 yds on 29 catches. He's not only bigger than the average TE in the NFL, he's a freak athlete, just learning the nuances of the NFL game. He was declared fit for practice in March and has been getting in shape, so there's that. Not to mention, we also lost Dex the last five games of the season
A healthy Thomas and Dex will go a long way towards respectability, and if Theo is 100%, and desperate to prove himself...you can add the return of those three to all the newbies which should add a shock-boost to the Giants this season...IMHO
Okereke Was injured as well to end the season.
This is a silly comparison as it is 2024 based on actual performance vs 2025 hypothetical performance.
Quote from: Philosophers on May 22, 2025, 02:48:09 AMThis is a silly comparison as it is 2024 based on actual performance vs 2025 hypothetical performance.
Okay, I am game. What were the top 10 players coming into 2020 based on their hypothetical performance? Did it seem significantly better than the actual?