Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: B1GBLUE on April 26, 2024, 11:41:22 AMNabers is LIGHT YEARS ahead of jalin hyatt. not even remotely in the same conversation.

B-one: I think you may have gone a bit overboard but I agree he's already better and more NFL-ready than Hyatt. lol

Quote from: sxdxca38 on April 26, 2024, 11:03:11 AMJust off the top of my head Amani Toomer didn't emerge until his 3rd year in the league, however that was twenty years ago.

I personally think Nabers should blossom right out of the gate, or within the first six weeks of the season.

sdx: A great point. It's actually IMO the difference between taking Nabers over Odunze. The former (as stated in another thread by someone) is likely to hit the ground running if he's ever going to hit at all. Odunze IMO is a lot like Toomer and it wouldn't surprise me if it takes him a while to grow into the NFL or if it takes his QB a while to learn that he really CAN be trusted (as his QB did in college). He doesn't get "wide open" often. You just have to throw him the damn ball and let him fight for it. I think his bust likelihood is the lowest of all three top WR's this year, but his ceiling is significantly lower than Nabers' and Harrison's. Bob

MadB: I agree with Phil. Yours is IMO a good and fair assessment of the situation, although I might quibble about Okereke... extremely reliable and consistent, but IMO at a level a hair below Pro Bowl. I don't see any room for "improvement" in his already solid game... I think he's already doing all he can or ever will. Bob

Quote from: jgrangers2 on April 26, 2024, 11:23:16 AMThe Eagles being able to sit back and get, arguably, the best cornerback in the draft when that was their top need is an insane win for them. Thought at least 2-3 corners would have been off the board by that pick. The run on QBs and the Raiders taking Bowers kind of messed things up.

jg: This is what I like to see in the Giants' draft... you have a relatively low pick but you get whomever you see as the TOP player in the entire draft (at almost any position). It is possible (according to about half of the "experts") that the Giants did the same. Many had Nabers more highly rated than Harrison, Jr., usually due to the "explosiveness" category, which (I suppose) means if you can get the ball to him, Nabers is more likely to turn little or nothing into a big play. Bob

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2024, 10:12:05 AMI was intrigued by Brook's and Jeremiah's small study suggesting top 10 WRs have a superior hit rate to the rest of round one.  Matt, any chance you can add when each prospect was drafted to your data? 

Rich: Yes, I should have at least mentioned that high 1st-rounders have a better success rate. Bob

king: Sadly I agree. That's the main reason why the "bust" rate for drafting 1st-round WR's is so darn high.

It's more dangerous to take a shot at a WR in the draft than QB... and taking a 1st-round QB is very dangerous.

Here's hoping it works out for Schoen and Daboll.

Bob

Quote from: LennG on April 26, 2024, 09:56:27 AMThe people who are the happiest this AM are the people who still believe Jones is the future of this team. Those of us that think Jones is not the QB we need to be able to win know Nabers is a great talent but a great talent needs a good QB to help make his talents excel. Drafting a great WR before we have that talent at QB may well be Barkley II. His talents will be wasted for several years as we try to find a QB who can help him excel.

Lenn: Reasonable post. I get it. I'm one who believes Jones (if healthy) will get the job done this year, if for no other reason than to make Schoen's moves next year at this time as difficult as possible.  One more thing... with all the rookie QB's taken in the first round this year we may see some "unexpected" veteran QB's become available during the summer, so the Giants might be in the market for that option (if so, I hope it's not due to an injury to Jones or Lock). Bob

Quote from: londonblue on April 26, 2024, 08:10:46 AMWe were a bad team before we picked Nabers. We are still a bad team after the pick. We are a battered, rusting heap with an engine operating at half power (DJ), two good tires (AT, Dex), a nice stereo pass rush duo and an enhanced selection of shiny WR hood ornaments.

I am not sure there is much to be happy about as we are still a long way from competing. Getting another good player is nice but hardly cause for bunting and a parade.

london: Although I disagree at least a bit with your sentiment, I "liked" your post because no one has to my knowledge ever used the word "bunting" here other than with reference to baseball. lol

Quote from: katkavage on April 26, 2024, 07:51:54 AMI don't see what you see in the QB s that's the issue.

kat: That's ok. The issue will now be decided one way or another. By the end of this year, you'll see it... or I'll be tipping my hat to you. I think they have enough on offense that, even if the run-game can't do much (Nabers and Robinson will contribute), this year Jones will demonstrate that he can play small ball and long ball. Bob

Quote from: TONKA56 on April 26, 2024, 07:49:49 AMOne thing we are going to see this year is disrespect for our running attack until it proves itself. Teams will focus on taking the deep ball away. This will be a great departure to what we've seen in previous years.

Tonka: Completely agree, but this year IMO they have the answer. Both Robinson and Nabers can contribute in the run-game, and Singletary is a proven NFL-caliber RB. Gray will no longer be a rookie and maybe he's ready to contribute. I think to address your point directly, this year the pass-attack will open it up for the run-game. Daboll/Kafka are not traditional coaches... they prefer the "newfangled" pass-first offenses, and whether we like it or not there will be very little (if any) "Giants' football" on offense and a lot more open attack. Bob

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2024, 07:17:42 AMBob,

I think there is enough positional flexibility that I can envision a 4 man WR rotation of Slayton, Hyatt, Robinson, and Nabers.

Nabers has played mostly slot and flanker, but he has shown enough ability to defeat press coverage that he could be a slit-end (x) receiver as well.  I think Hyatt will be trained for the X and the Y (flanker).  Slayton is a natural X.  Robinson is the slot.

Rich: That is not how I see it ending, but like I said... we have to see where the pieces fall when the "dust" finally settles. IMO you could be closer to the "truth" at first (rookies don't get a lot of trust right away) but I know Robinson can play RB and I know Nabers will be most effective from the slot against man defenses. Against zone, they're better off using him as a flanker rather than as a traditional split-end, because it gives him a chance to touch the ball in the run-game.  Bob

Quote from: katkavage on April 26, 2024, 07:43:30 AMI have no doubt Nabers is an exceptional talent. But he won't move the needle much for the Giants as they are presently constructed. So it's nice to have a potentially all star caliber player on the roster, wide receivers don't have the impact without other pieces in place, particularly the QB. I'll be happy if I'm wrong, but that won't be evident for a long time.

kat: I don't see it that way. I see Nabers as the final piece to the puzzle on offense. I'm assuming they already have the running backs they need to do the offense the way THEY want to do it, not the way the fans want to see them do it. The Giants will now be a pass-first (modern NFL?) offense, not the traditional type you and I favor. Give them a chance. It won't be "Giants' football" on offense... but hopefully it will be winning football. Bob

Quote from: uconnjack8 on April 26, 2024, 07:31:28 AMRich,
I was surprised by some of the reaction here.  I wanted Odunze but think very highly Nabers ability, just hope the attitude stuff is overblown. 

uconn: I understand the reaction.  Odunze is a more traditional typw of WR. Nabers is the exact opposite. In the long run, I initially thought they would be better off with Odunze too, but in the modern era where it's almost all about the passing attack, Nabers gives them far more options and variations. In fact, I have reason to think Schoen/Daboll would have taken Nabers even if Harrison was still available. Nabers is THEIR type of guy, and it's THEIR necks on the chopping block, so if they fail it makes more sense to fail with the guy(s) they want. Bob

Rich: I was going to start a new thread but this is as good as any a place to make my point.

The Giants now have the personnel to put together two completely different game plans on offense - one for teams that like to pressure the QB, and one for teams that play mostly zone. Likewise, they can plan to either possess the ball or try to out-score the opponent, which is something they haven't been able to do for a long, long time.

They have all the parts, if they can stay healthy.

Bob

Quote from: Uncle Mickey on April 24, 2024, 04:56:20 PMHi all!

Uncle Mickey here but you can just call me Mickey. 

Mickey: Welcome to this site. It's a great time of year for you to join us. Bob