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Quote from: AZGiantFan on June 15, 2024, 03:47:29 PMThat sounds excellent.  Although you wonder why other teams didn't go after him and drive up the price.

Rich,

That's always a question at this stage of the game.  It's possible he thought he was worth more than this, and no team met his asking price, and now he was settling for a lesser deal.  He certainly seems like the sort of serviceable CB most teams wouldn't mind having on their roster

If I had to bet, I would take the over.  I have a feeling that this team will exceed expectations.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on June 15, 2024, 01:25:52 PMNabers vs bank's every day will only make each other better.

iron sharpens iron

That will be welcome news if it continues to remain true this season

Joe, is it really a good comparison to compare the accomplishments of a 22-year-old woman's college career (she is just coming into the WNBA) against the college and professional accomplishments of a 38-year-old woman?  If anything, when you consider they seem pretty similar in volume; it speaks to just how special Catlin Clark is.

Quote from: Philosophers on June 15, 2024, 12:15:17 PMCandace Parker's awards including PRO.

3× WNBA champion (2016, 2021, 2023)
WNBA Finals MVP (2016)
2× WNBA MVP (2008, 2013)
7× WNBA All-Star (2011, 2013, 2014, 2017, 2018, 2021, 2022)
WNBA All-Star Game MVP (2013)
7× All-WNBA First Team (2008, 2012–2014, 2017, 2020, 2022)
3× All-WNBA Second Team (2009, 2015, 2018)
2× WNBA All-Defensive Second Team (2009, 2012)
WNBA Rookie of the Year (2008)
WNBA All-Rookie Team (2008)
WNBA Defensive Player of the Year (2020)
WNBA assists leader (2015)
3× WNBA rebounding leader (2008, 2009, 2020)
2× WNBA blocks leader (2009, 2012)
3× WNBA peak performer (2008, 2009, 2020)
WNBA 20th Anniversary Team (2016)
WNBA 25th Anniversary Team (2021)
5× Russian National League champion (2011–2015)
4× Russian Cup winner (2011–2014)
EuroLeague champion (2013)
2× NCAA champion (2007, 2008)
2× NCAA Tournament MOP (2007, 2008)
2× AP Female Athlete of the Year (2008, 2021)
2× USBWA Player of the Year (2007, 2008)
Naismith College Player of the Year (2008)
2× John R. Wooden Award (2007, 2008)
Wade Trophy (2007)
2× Honda Sports Award for basketball (2007, 2008)
Honda-Broderick Cup (2008)
Gatorade National Player of the Year (2004)

How come TV viewership is not up with what she accomplished?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on June 15, 2024, 12:02:21 PMThere must be other upper body strength testing than just bench reps at the combine though, no?

That is really the only standard and available direct measure of strength.  Teams no doubt quiz prospects and college staffs for things like how much the squat or maybe deadlift.   Beyond that, scouts view the game tape to gauge their functional on field strength.  If memory serves, the book on JMS coming out was he wasn't the biggest, strongest, or most athletic (although he wasn't deficient), but he was smart, hard working, and high character.   As mentioned, he was a high floor, modest ceiling type.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on June 15, 2024, 11:25:44 AMIf his upper body strength was this big of a liability, how was this not picked up by scouts, including ours? Isn't strength a fairly black and white, easy thing to measure?

It's concerning to me that at 24 years old and 5 year of being in a serious Big 10 program, he came into the draft this physically weak. He couldn't get to the right strength in 5 years at school by age 24? But now he's going to play catch-up in one offseason?

It all sounds a little suspect to me. I hope it works out, as we need him. But I'm not sure how I understand how this was all missed last spring.

JMS had 26 reps on the bench.  That is considered good but not great for an NFL center

Imagine accomplishing all this and then having people say your popularity is because you are white.

Career highlights and awards
2× AP Player of the Year (2023, 2024)
2× Honda Sports Award (2023, 2024)
2x James E. Sullivan Award (2023, 2024)
2× John R. Wooden Award (2023, 2024)
2× Naismith College Player of the Year (2023, 2024)
2× USBWA National Player of the Year (2023, 2024)
2× Wade Trophy (2023, 2024)
3× Unanimous First-team All-American (2022–2024)
4× First-team All-American – USBWA (2021–2024)
3× First-team All-American – AP (2022–2024)
4× WBCA Coaches' All-American (2021–2024)
Second-team All-American – AP (2021)
3× Nancy Lieberman Award (2022–2024)
3× Dawn Staley Award (2021–2023)
USBWA National Co-Freshman of the Year (2021)
WBCA Co-Freshman of the Year (2021)
Big Ten Female Athlete of the Year (2023)
4× First-team All-Big Ten (2021–2024)
3× Big Ten Player of the Year (2022–2024)
Big Ten Freshman of the Year (2021)
3× Big Ten tournament MOP (2022–2024)
3× NCAA season scoring leader (2021, 2022, 2024)
3× NCAA season assists leader (2022–2024)
NCAA Division I all-time scoring leader
3x First-team Academic All-America (2022–2024)
2× Women's Basketball Academic All-American of the Year (2023, 2024)
Division I Academic All-American of the Year (2023)
No. 22 retired by Iowa Hawkeyes
McDonald's All-American (2020)
Iowa Miss Basketball (2020)
FIBA Under-19 World Cup MVP (2021)

https://www.bigblueview.com/2024/6/15/24178340/new-york-giants-roster-preview-wr-jalin-hyatt-ready-to-flex-his-muscles-on-the-field

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on June 15, 2024, 10:46:55 AMWas Deion left out deliberately? Because he would be my guy for sure. Maybe he was too obvious so they didn't include him to make it a tougher call.

Of this list, it would be Woodson for me. Some might even rank him above Deion. I wouldn't myself, but I think a case could be made. Either way he stands above the others for me.

I am very high on Sauce Gardner, and I think he has a chance to potentially be a top 5 all time corner, but we are a long way from that at this point. For this exercise, I would never choose uncertainty over certainty.

Woodson for me. He was absolutely tremendous.

I have no idea why he was left out.  I would have included him.

Hopefully, this WAS a problem.   The Giants' future hinges on the O-line issues being mostly due to poor coaching.

Quote from: Philosophers on June 15, 2024, 09:55:23 AMWasn't he supposedly a high floor/lower ceiling type prospect?  If yes he may not offer the enormous leap in development we need him to get to but may be more serviceable.  I may be wrong on this.

I believe you are correct, Joe