Big Blue Huddle

All the rumors about tension between Daboll and Wink seem to be seeing the light.

https://twitter.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1744440201630421193

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 04, 2024, 02:24:30 PMDan Quinn will also get another shot, clearly.

Some guys are great coordinators but just not great head coaches though. Are there many examples of guys who were very good coordinators, got a HC job, failed at it, went back to being a coordinator, did well as a coordinator again, and then got another crack at HC and it went really well from that point on? I feel like that's pretty rare. The latest example of a failed attempt at that is Josh McDaniels.

Depends what you think of those Buddy Ryan Eagles teams

For DC candidates may include:
Matt Eberflus, Chicago Bears head coach (if he gets fired)
Leslie Frazier (worked with Daboll and Schoen in Buffalo)
Marquand Manuel Jets DB's coach (was a coach during the LOB era of the Seahawks)
Brandon Staley, former Chargers Head Coach (very bad Head Coach but as a DC should be really good, think Dan Quinn 2.0)
Joe Whitt Jr, Dallas Cowboys defensive passing game coordinator
Aden Durde, Dallas Cowboys defensive line coach

For OC candidates may include:
Ken Dorsey, former Buffalo Bills offensive coordinator (Obvious candidate, worked under Daboll so it will be continuity).
Brian Griese, San Francisco 49ers quarterbacks coach
Jerrod Johnson, Houston Texans quarterbacks coach
Klint Kubiak, San Francisco 49ers passing game specialist
Zac Robinson, Los Angeles Rams quarterbacks coach

What's the biggest disconnect between the national media and the fans perspective when it comes to your team?

Whether they are more positive or negative despite you thinking the opposite. For me is that while QB play is bad, OL is tiers below the list of problems the media blames for the Giants bad season. The attitude is usually "yeah the OL stinks BUT THE QB...". And I'm not defending Jones, I want a new QB drafted but it seems like the people don't watch games and just blame the QB by default because they already hated him. Also the narrative that "they paid Jones 40 mil and didn't pay their best player", when there were more nuances and factors to went along with that situation rather than the team choosing Jones over Barkley.

Implying DeVito playing better than Daniel Jones with the same OL and WR's people were critical of to start the season. Also that Jones contract shouldn't give Jones the job back automatically. 

https://twitter.com/nightcapshow_/status/1734603767482556485?t=AWJRbZyoisWFNF8kMWOdkQ

So if we miss out on a top QB, what exactly is the plan for QB in 2024? Unless you believe the QB position doesn't matter. Hope people are excited to run it back with DJ in 2024

In summary, fans overwhelmingly want Daboll and Schoen to return in 2024
 Daboll - 96.2% Yes, 3.4% No,  Schoen - 95.3% Yes, 4.7% No

48% of fans give both a 4/5 level of confidence they can turn things around

Blame for Giants collapse in 2024 due to OL(63%) and QB(12%).

Player who was the source of most frustration this year Neal(59%) and Jones(32%).


77% of fans want Giants to move on from Jones.

Interesting that 45% fans want Barkley to be a lifetime Giant while only 21% of fans want to move on from Barkley. 34% were in favor of franchise tagging him

About 45% of fans want Giants to draft Caleb Williams and 27% want Drake Maye.



82% say OL is the biggest non-QB Giants need this offseason

Whether they are more positive or negative despite you thinking the opposite. For me is that while QB play is bad, OL is tiers below the list of problems the media blames for the Giants bad season. he attitude is usually "yeah the OL stinks BUT THE QB...". And I'm not defending Jones, I want a new QB drafted but it seems like the people don't watch games and just blame the QB by default because they already hated him. Also the narrative that "they paid Jones 40 mil and didn't pay their best player", when there were more nuances and factors to went along with that situation rather than the team choosing Jones over Barkley.

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on November 20, 2023, 05:16:17 AMYou are a fan and you want your team to win. I remember the 2020 draft when fans were so upset that we won a game and no longer had the second pick  and we would not be able to draft Chris Young , ( Everyone knew Joe Burrow was going first to the Bengels ). WE had to settle for Andrew Thomas with the fourth pick.

Winning builds character

The same way the Jets won two meaningless games against the Rams and Browns the next year and settled for the 2nd pick to draft.....Zach Wilson over Trevor Lawrence.   

"which rookie QB is going to be able to develop behind this line", we just saw an undrafted practice squad QB throw 3 TD's today, a good QB with a high ceiling will be able to produce. The rest of the NFL knows this meaning no competent NFL Team will trade for Jones thinking they'll unlock something in him.   

QuoteWant to know why scoring is down? Check out the QB play across the league. Why does it seem there are no great teams this season? QB play.

Why is it hard to fill out a top-five best games of the season list after two months? You guessed it.

Think of it this way: How many quarterbacks are playing better than their expectation this season? That list is very short.

There was a four-year stretch from 2018-21 in which the passer rating across the league was above 90 each season, peaking at 93.6 in 2020. That dipped to 89.1 last season and was 89.3 this season before Monday night's game, in which winning quarterback Justin Herbert had a 65.4 rating. This season's rating could drop well below 89 as injuries pile up and the weather gets worse.

If you watch games each week or are a Jets season-ticket holder, you don't need stats to tell you quarterback play has not been very good.

The bottom end of NFL quarterbacks is not good enough. It's hard enough to find 32 good starters; when teams have to turn to backups it can get really bad. Clayton Tune had 27 passing yards through three quarters for the Cardinals on Sunday. Over a little more than four quarters of game action through his first two games, Giants quarterback Tommy DeVito had just 10 passing yards. Brett Rypien put up a 45.2 passer rating for the Rams. Tyson Bagent threw three interceptions for the Bears. At least Joshua Dobbs was good for the Vikings when pressed into duty Sunday, though he was bad enough for the Cardinals that he was benched and traded.

There was a lot of ugly quarterback play Sunday. Four teams put up six points or less. Not all of that bad play came from overwhelmed backups pressed into action.

Geno Smith hasn't replicated his stellar 2022 season for the Seahawks. Tua Tagovailoa and Patrick Mahomes were supposed to engage in an epic shootout; both of them finished with less than 200 yards passing, and the Chiefs and Dolphins were each shut out in a half.

Injuries have been an issue. Aaron Rodgers' season was done after four plays for the Jets, and Zach Wilson has been hard to watch. Kirk Cousins is done for the season, as is Daniel Jones. So is exciting rookie Anthony Richardson. Deshaun Watson and Joe Burrow have either missed time or been limited due to injuries. Kyler Murray hasn't played yet.

Even the elite quarterbacks haven't been that great. Burrow got off to a rough start, though he's heating up. Josh Allen threw a terrible interception Sunday night and is tied for the NFL lead with nine of them. Mahomes hasn't lived up to his normal standard. Jalen Hurts has been good but not great. These are supposed to be the NFL's must-watch superstars, and none of them is playing as well as he did last season.

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 07, 2023, 12:49:17 AMspider: Watch his opponent too. Sophomore Drew Allar will likely come out for the 2025 draft. I think next year as a junior he'll beat both Ohio State and Michigan (a super-rare feat) and take his team to the playoffs. Bob

I would love nothing more than for PSU to beat both of these teams but Franklyn has one 2 big wins, OSU in 2016 and Michigan in 2019. He gets outplayed and outcoached every other year. 

We have such a weird fan base. Caleb Williams does nothing for most people and we're like the only fanbase who feels this way. I don't understand the "Caleb Williams sucks" by the fanbase yet always more impressed y Daniel Jones for some reason.

Commanders traded Sweat and traded the 2020 #2 overall pick yet our team is still holding on to Barkley, why?