Big Blue Huddle

Nobody has drafted/signed more O Line over the last 3-4 years than the giants. Aikman said it Monday night.

This is a poor take lacking in both fact and logic.

Two regimes have tried to upgrade the line, the fact that it's not panned out (bar Thomas) is a different story.

Quote from: JT39 on October 06, 2023, 09:30:49 AMI think this should be noted as well when it comes to our offense including QBs and OL.

Our RBs this year have 60 carries for 190 yards. As you can see there are a lot more problems this year than just the QB. Whats teh common them for a poor passing game and a poor running game?

A very poor OL.

Nobody is saying the OLine isn't a problem. Nobody is saying that it's even remotely good.

People are merely pointing out that Jones isn't even playing average.

It's been pointed out, with video evidence, that Jones was responsible for a number of sacks on Monday night. In fact, according to Dan O the oline was responsible for 4, Campbell 1 and the rest were on Jones.

The Giants, and Jones, have played well for 2 quarters this season. Two.

If people don't think Jones is a massive part of this collective failure (not withstanding his salary taking money away replenishing at other positions), I don't know what to say.

All summer long we had cartwheels on this board about "locking up our Franchise QB". Sadly, for all of us, the shine has really come off that and it's clear Jones cannot play with what's provided to him. The Giants obviously thought the same, hence the painful but palatable exit at the end of next season. So they also thought that they had not locked up their franchise QB.

But make no mistake, I doubt anyone on this board is happy with how this has played out but that doesn't stop it being the reality that we face right now.

Quote from: JT39 on October 06, 2023, 09:11:16 AMHe most likely will want to go to a team that is contending.

Very true.

It's unlikely he's gonna be worse than the current composition of the OLine.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 05, 2023, 08:29:14 PMAh kind of like the Brock Osweiler trade.

Interesting idea but I just don't see it happening.

I really don't think Taylor gives them a better shot at winning. But for Jones' health, I don't want to see him injured, because I don't want any more excuses I.e. "we can't make a judgement because he was injured in week 5"

But I guess, if he does get injured, that's 4 years out of 5 and wouldn't make him "dependable"

Haven't read the full article but that's not a good look.

Thanks for the work on this, Ed. Interesting stuff.

Quote from: T200 on October 03, 2023, 03:20:52 PMNone of us knows what his thinking is like. However, there is enough film of him to understand and see his tendencies. He has become predictable.

When guys with 4 games experience in the NFL are calling you predictable for locking onto your first read. I don't think you can be called "dependable" any longer.

The book on Jones is well and truly out.

I think the Cards are too high.

I think they are better than the Broncos but other than that it's broadly correct.

Honestly, I don't mean this to be provocative, but who is giving up anything for Jones and that contract?

Nobody.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on October 03, 2023, 08:34:22 AMThis game was a good barometer of where this is at. 

Prior to this game I viewed Seattle in the same tier as the Giants.  I see three teams at the top of the NFC and thought/hoped the Giants would/could be in the next tier. 

Seattle proved me wrong.  If the Giants had lost a close game, I would still have felt they were not in that tier, but now I think its even worse.

Seattle was missing 4 of 5 starting OL and managed to put up 17 pts and have no T/Os.  The Giants offense was missing 1 starter and lost a 2nd during the game.  They managed to put up more points for Seattle than themselves.

I broadly agree in terms of how you viewed the game. I thought both teams were fringe WC teams but Seattle are streets ahead of the Giants.

Jones isn't the only problem but I'm not convinced he's the answer to any question.

If you're drafting in the top 5, and the QB class is loaded, you take a QB. He can compete with Jones in camp and if he beats him out, he starts. If he doesn't, he sits for the year.

You then cut Jones and spread the cap hit out.

That's the out in the two years that many of us alluded to in the spring.

That was awful from Jones.

Awful

Oh Jones