Big Blue Huddle

Father O'Malley rose from his bed one morning It was a fine spring day in his new mission parish. He walked to the window of his bedroom to get a deep breath of the beautiful day outside.
He then noticed there was a jackass lying dead in the middle of his front lawn. He promptly called the local police station.
The conversation went like this:
"Good morning. This is Sergeant Jones. How might I help you?"
"And the best of the day te yerself. This is Father O'Malley at St. Ann's Catholic Church. There's a jackass lying dead in me front lawn and would ye be so kind as to send a couple o'yer lads to take care of the matter ?"
Sergeant Jones, considering himself to be quite a wit and recognizing the foreign accent, thought he would have a little fun with the Good Father, replied, "Well now Father, it was always my impression that you people took care of the last rites !"
There was dead silence on the line for a long moment.........
Father O'Malley then replied, "Aye, 'tis certainly true, but we are also obliged to notify the next of kin first, which is the reason for me call.

A possibility I've mentioned before:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKMQ3OnPq1o

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 02, 2023, 02:14:14 PM

Wow, look at the very first play.  I'm confused because I was assured that DJ can't throw an accurate long ball and that he only threw line drives and couldn't get any air under the ball.

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on January 11, 2023, 04:36:11 PMA well dressed gentleman was walking along the street when he ran across an old man fishing in a puddle outside a bar. Feeling sorry for the man, he invited the old man in for a drink. As they sipped their whiskeys, the gentleman decided to humor the old man and asked him, "so, how many did you catch?"

The old man replied, "you're the eighth today"     

Gee, sounds like certain threads.

Quote from: T200 on January 26, 2023, 02:08:51 PMI'd tag him and make him prove it again next season.

If he does well do you think having been tagged, when there are teams willing to pay a lot more, will make him disinclined to sign with the Giants the following year?

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2023, 01:26:09 PMI believe such a thing is a mixed bag.  On the one hand you draft lower, which makes building more difficult

On the other hand, you attract and retain better free agents because they will come to the Giants to compete rather than just for the money.

It's also not bad to get the younger players some playoff experience.

I think it is a major problem for the fans.  We heard it right here, "gee our OL isn't that bad, they are improving', and 'see, all we need is a #1 WR because our guys aren't that bad'.  I think Schoen & Co. have a more realistic view of things and realize our OL and WRs (and our ILBs) are not good and not up to the standard they need to be to compete with top teams.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2023, 01:20:34 PMIf the Giants had gone Taylor/Webb this season do you believe they would have still gone 9-7-1 and made the playoffs?

Not likely.  And while I got excited and enjoyed them getting into the playoffs and winning a game I'm not sure that was the best thing for their long term progress.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2023, 12:52:13 PMThe only "problem" with this approach is that as you improve the roster talent, the more wins your team will collect and the harder it will be to be in a position to draft that rare elite QB.  There is often a factor involving dumb luck, deliberate tanking, or a major season-ending injury (that has a strong negative impact for one season) that is needed to make this plan work.

Due to the nature of the 6-1 start which underpinned them making the playoffs, and the 3-6-1 finish, which I think more fairly represents their quality, I think it is very likely their record goes down, next year.  Playing the season with Taylor/Webb/? at QB won't change that.  Against that are the roster improvements.  To the extent that roster improvement is from the draft, it generally takes a while for rookies to get up to speed, so I think 8-9 would be the upper area we could reasonably expect. That would put them 14-16 in draft order which could put them in range, possibly with a trade up, to get a guy, if they like him.

But, of course,"The best laid schemes o' Giants an' men / Gang aft a-gley."

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2023, 12:30:24 PMIf they can't afford the upgrades under that plan, I would think Barkley would be the first part they would let go.

In comparison to Jones, Barkley's contract would be small potatoes (but huge potatoes for a RB).  I let them both go.  Barkley's production should be largely replaceable by a committee.  So for me, go all out in building up the roster, play 2023 with Taylor/Webb/? at QB, then draft your QB in 2024 and let him be developed by someone who knows how to do it.

Then win the Superbowl in 2025.   

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 23, 2023, 11:49:05 AMI agree earlier in the thread I had mentioned tag and trade and was expanding on that but you're right. I just don't know how you can build a team paying both of them.

Ah, I missed the tag and trade angle.  But I doubt they get anything close to a #4 overall pick on a tag and trade because the acquiring team is going to have to sign him for significant money, or just look at it as a one year rental.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 23, 2023, 10:31:49 AMHypothetical:

If you could get the 4th overall pick plus some conditional picks for Jones would you trade him?

Because a ton of teams need a QB and someone has to he willing to trade a significant sum, so why wouldn't we do that to propel our rebuild and then have faith in Daboll/Kafka to find a replacement to produce a similar stat line.

I like the idea in concept, but you can't trade a guy that's not under contract.  Much as I love Jones the player, recent events show that the roster still has to be rebuilt almost from top to bottom, and I just don't see them being able to do that if they are paying Jones 35-40 million or more.  Nor paying Barkley 12-14 million.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2023, 10:21:15 AMJones played well this season and he did so with a mediocre line, a collection of castoff WRs, and a rookie TE who missed games due to injury.   It doesn't appear the Jones needs more support than other franchise QBs.

But he needs more support than the Giants can provide for him if they are paying him 35-40 million, and 12-14 million for Saquon, and re-signing Dex and AT in the next year or so.

An extra big batch to cheer everyone up after yesterday's loss:

Great musician.

Horrible human being.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 20, 2023, 01:04:34 PMI'm genuinely surprised that no one has made a thread on the similarities to this season and the 2007 season yet so I'll do it without creating a new thread.

*First off Both super bowls are in Arizona.

*Both Qbs on their 4th year that had serious doubt going into the season and turned it around.

*Beat a divisional winner in the wild card that the media wasn't sold on(Bucs/Vikes).

*Beat the #1 seed Divison rival on the road (Cowboys/potentially Eagles)

*NFC championship on the road hostile blue blood match up (Green bay/49ers)

*Super bowl is on Fox like it was in 2007 and we would be heavy underdogs against a KC/Buf/Cincy.

*Giants won the 1st the London game in 2007, and won this season in London.

If, against all odds they get there, I hope Coach Dabs has the In-N-Out truck out for lunch, one day.  Yes, I'm a littlestitious.