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#51
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Dan Schneier uses DJ as an...
Last post by Philosophers - April 02, 2025, 11:58:25 AM
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 02, 2025, 11:51:50 AMPhil: IMO it's a bridge too far to say "all" regarding back shoulder throws. I'm sure some are, but they actually practice that (assuming the QB is any good). It should also tell you you're way out over your skis because I don't believe any Giants QB has done it in my lifetime. Of course, my memory is far from world class.  =)) Bob

Bob - my point was all back shoulder are not intended that way, but rather some are just bad throws.  I agree some are intended just not all.

Same point that every low throw n an intermediate route is intentionally low.  Some are bad throws.  Same with near and far shoulder long throws.

QBs are not that accurate.

If they were, they'd put footballs through tires hanging from a tree on every throw and we know they cant even do that which is simpler since it is stationery.

I dont want to take the original post a different route as Dan's comments are really good and most have not been discussed here before.
#52
Big Blue Huddle / Re: What coaches say about Sa...
Last post by Bob In PA - April 02, 2025, 11:55:03 AM
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 02, 2025, 11:30:55 AM@Bob In PA and @Philosophers

I once had a chat with a guy who went to school with Leaf.  He told me that Leaf was well-known on campus as a major league A-hole

Combine that with the story Bill Polian tells about how Leaf told him he wanted a couple of weeks vacation with his buddies after he would be drafted versus Peyton Manning trying to figure out how to beat the NFL/NCAA rules that would have caused him to miss some off-season activities

Rich: Bad memory and all, I absolutely DO remember discussing that very issue on-line, at wherever I was participating at that time (whenever it was lol). I also don't recall if it was before the draft or some time thereafter. Bob
#53
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Dan Schneier uses DJ as an...
Last post by Bob In PA - April 02, 2025, 11:51:50 AM
Quote from: Philosophers on April 02, 2025, 11:31:40 AMI love all but ball placement.  On most intermediate and longer throws no QB can consistently throw the ball "exactly to the right spot.  That's a myth.

I truly believe all these "back shoulder" throws are not all intended but instead are bad throws.

Phil: IMO it's a bridge too far to say "all" regarding back shoulder throws. I'm sure some are, but they actually practice that (assuming the QB is any good). It should also tell you you're way out over your skis because I don't believe any Giants QB has done it in my lifetime. Of course, my memory is far from world class.  =)) Bob
#54
Big Blue Huddle / Giants Met with Texas Center J...
Last post by MightyGiants - April 02, 2025, 11:49:17 AM
https://x.com/JustinM_NFL/status/1907168844612833443


Majors has been lauded as a technician with an off-the-charts football IQ. Majors's NFL draft profile, written by Lance Zierlein, cites an unnamed AFC national scout who says Majors can "make protection adjustments on the fly like an NFL veteran."

The 6-foot-3, 315-pound Majors, who played all his college snaps at center, finished his five-year career for the Longhorns, where he achieved a 98.5 pass-blocking efficiency rating. He has allowed just three sacks in his career and zero sacks surrendered in his last two seasons.

The Giants interest in Majors, who projected as a Day 3 prospect, is interesting because just two years ago, they selected John Michael Schmitz in the second round to presumably be their long-term starter at center.

https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/draft/report-giants-met-with-texas-center-jake-majors
#55
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Dan Schneier uses DJ as an...
Last post by Painter - April 02, 2025, 11:45:58 AM
Quote from: Philosophers on April 02, 2025, 11:31:40 AMI love all but ball placement.  On most intermediate and longer throws no QB can consistently throw the ball "exactly to the right spot.  That's a myth.

I truly believe all these "back shoulder" throws are not all intended but instead are bad throws.

What you say first, Joseph is no great revelation. But your second notion is not true at all. The "back shoulder throw" is written into playbooks as both plan and as a coverage option.

Cheers!
#56
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Dan Schneier uses DJ as an...
Last post by MightyGiants - April 02, 2025, 11:36:26 AM
Quote from: Philosophers on April 02, 2025, 11:31:40 AMI love all but ball placement.  On most intermediate and longer throws no QB can consistently throw the ball "exactly to the right spot.  That's a myth.

I truly believe all these "back shoulder" throws are not all intended but instead are bad throws.

Deeper balls (including the "back shoulder," I differ in that I believe this is intended) are often aided by the receiver making adjustments to the ball in flight.  How often (if you pay attention) do you see a receiver slow down or vere right or left so that he can catch the ball?
#57
Big Blue Huddle / Re: What coaches say about Sa...
Last post by katkavage - April 02, 2025, 11:34:45 AM
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 02, 2025, 11:21:51 AMAll fair points.  I won't be angry if they take, although I would not do it, especially if Carter and/or Hunter are there.

Why? Because picking a QB is always a crap shoot. For example, there was certainly no unanimity among the so-called experts that Ryan Leaf would turn out to be a world-class bust. IMO the most difficult decision in all of off-field NFL football is drafting a QB, because the stakes are so very high.

I should also say my "best" reason to draft him is because we can be more certain than usual that he can handle the "bright lights" of playing for the Giants. The comparison of Shadeur/Deion to Eli/Archie (both the good and bad of it) is clearly imperfect because Deion was not an NFL QB, but IMO it's close enough to rely upon.

Bob
I don't think they should take him either, but there is a flip side to what you just said about picking a QB is a crap shoot. If they don't take the shot, they always get crap.

My gut is to take Milroe in the second and third round and hope they can develop him. If  not, he has other tools that might work in the NFL as a hybrid for a creative play caller. And my gut also says most likely they will be on the prowl for a QB next year  and it would make more sense for a new coach and QB to be involved in that process.
#58
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Dan Schneier uses DJ as an...
Last post by Painter - April 02, 2025, 11:32:49 AM
It's a little late to start figuring that out, wouldn't we say? But as we all do our best work after the fact, I suppose it's now up to the Indianapolis Colts to do theirs

Cheers!
#59
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Dan Schneier uses DJ as an...
Last post by Philosophers - April 02, 2025, 11:31:40 AM
I love all but ball placement.  On most intermediate and longer throws no QB can consistently throw the ball "exactly to the right spot.  That's a myth.

I truly believe all these "back shoulder" throws are not all intended but instead are bad throws.
#60
Big Blue Huddle / Re: What coaches say about Sa...
Last post by MightyGiants - April 02, 2025, 11:30:55 AM
@Bob In PA and @Philosophers

I once had a chat with a guy who went to school with Leaf.  He told me that Leaf was well-known on campus as a major league A-hole

Combine that with the story Bill Polian tells about how Leaf told him he wanted a couple of weeks vacation with his buddies after he would be drafted versus Peyton Manning trying to figure out how to beat the NFL/NCAA rules that would have caused him to miss some off-season activities
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