Big Blue Huddle

At this point, I say we ride with Winston.   He has talent and we can what sort of QB guru Daboll truly is.

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 19, 2025, 05:34:03 PMThe season ticket invoices went out in mid-January. They have you over a barrel because if you don't buy them, you forfeit your seat license. How do they not have a QB in place and expect fans to lay out the cash? Due April 1st. I wonder how many fans are still on the fence? Upper deck Seat License is only a grand, so it's not that hard to walk away.

I ponied up because I had to, but if they sign Rodgers I'm selling or giving away each and every one of those tickets.  And likely not renewing. I'm at about the end of my rope with Mara.

Quote from: Gmo11 on March 19, 2025, 05:44:57 PMI ponied up because I had to, but if they sign Rodgers I'm selling or giving away each and every one of those tickets.  And likely not renewing. I'm at about the end of my rope with Mara.

The last year I purchased was 2019. Saved a lot of money and time. Tickets are easy enough to get if I ever want to go to a game.

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 19, 2025, 05:34:03 PMThe season ticket invoices went out in mid-January. They have you over a barrel because if you don't buy them, you forfeit your seat license. How do they not have a QB in place and expect fans to lay out the cash? Due April 1st. I wonder how many fans are still on the fence? Upper deck Seat License is only a grand, so it's not that hard to walk away.

I walked away today after 63 years.  Mezzanine section 229.  Honestly, even if the QB drama had been resolved, I was done. As I told Mara in my letter I have already lived through one experience in the wilderness and I'm too damn old to survive another

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 19, 2025, 05:38:19 PMAt this point, I say we ride with Winston.   He has talent and we can what sort of QB guru Daboll truly is.

I agree but Dobell is not going to make him more mobile

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 19, 2025, 05:34:03 PMThe season ticket invoices went out in mid-January. They have you over a barrel because if you don't buy them, you forfeit your seat license. How do they not have a QB in place and expect fans to lay out the cash? Due April 1st. I wonder how many fans are still on the fence? Upper deck Seat License is only a grand, so it's not that hard to walk away.

An opportunity for the fans to speak!

Quote from: katkavage on March 19, 2025, 03:21:38 PMThe soap opera is the NY Giants, Kart. They created it. It's sad to see. You are right. None of these QBs will change much for the team in 2025 which is why it is pathetic that they are bowing to one of them.

If the Giants were "bowing" to these quarterbacks, they would open their checkbook and aggressively outbid the competition.  Instead, they have done the polar opposite of that prediction: they have exercised notable restraint, adhering to their internal projections for player value. This approach runs counter to the persistent narrative that the organization would spend recklessly due to desperation.

Thus far, Schoen's moves do not suggest an executive preoccupied with "saving his job." Instead, the front office has signed quality players to fair-market contracts without overcommitting resources—especially when contrasted with the previous regime's more extravagant spending in 2016, which saw roughly $200 million allocated to Olivier Vernon, Janoris Jenkins, and Damon Harrison. Similarly, in 2021, Dave Gettleman's desperation culminated in about $140 million spent on players like Kenny Golladay, Adoree' Jackson, Kyle Rudolph, Devontae Booker, John Ross, Ifeadi Odenigbo, Mike Glennon, Zach Fulton, and Reggie Ragland.  In contrast, Schoen appears to be operating within disciplined financial parameters, preferring to wait for the free-agent quarterback market to settle before making any definitive commitments

Ultimately, whichever quarterback the Giants select (or don't select) in free agency may have limited bearing on the team's immediate trajectory. They are prioritizing fiscal discipline and roster flexibility over splashy acquisitions. This strategy underscores the belief that one new player—particularly in a fluid QB market—will not dramatically alter the organization's long-term outlook this season, and that thoughtful, calculated transactions hold more value for the franchise's future stability. 

In short, the Giants' measured approach to the quarterback position should be seen in a positive light, as it fundamentally contradicts predictions that they would spend recklessly out of desperation. Instead of hastily pouring resources into a marquee name, the front office has opted to wait and assess the free-agent market—a decision that exemplifies a disciplined strategy.

Quote from: kingm56 on March 19, 2025, 10:33:34 PMIf the Giants were "bowing" to these quarterbacks, they would open their checkbook and aggressively outbid the competition.  Instead, they have done the polar opposite of that prediction: they have exercised notable restraint, adhering to their internal projections for player value. This approach runs counter to the persistent narrative that the organization would spend recklessly due to desperation.

To date, Schoen's moves do not suggest an executive preoccupied with "saving his job." Rather, the front office has signed quality players to fair-market contracts without overcommitting resources—especially when compared to the more extravagant spending spree under the previous regime in 2016, which featured approximately $200 million in total contracts for Olivier Vernon, Janoris Jenkins, and Damon Harrison. By contrast, Schoen appears to be operating within measured financial parameters, waiting for the free-agent quarterback market to settle before making any definitive commitments.

Ultimately, whichever quarterback the Giants select (or don't select) in free agency may have limited bearing on the team's immediate trajectory. They are prioritizing fiscal discipline and roster flexibility over splashy acquisitions. This strategy underscores the belief that one new player—particularly in a fluid QB market—will not dramatically alter the organization's long-term outlook this season, and that thoughtful, calculated transactions hold more value for the franchise's future stability. 

In short, the Giants' measured approach to the quarterback position should be seen in a positive light, as it fundamentally contradicts predictions that they would spend recklessly out of desperation. Instead of hastily pouring resources into a marquee name, the front office has opted to wait and assess the free-agent market—a decision that exemplifies a disciplined strategy.

Quote from: kingm56 on March 19, 2025, 10:33:34 PMIf the Giants were "bowing" to these quarterbacks, they would open their checkbook and aggressively outbid the competition.  Instead, they have done the polar opposite of that prediction: they have exercised notable restraint, adhering to their internal projections for player value. This approach runs counter to the persistent narrative that the organization would spend recklessly due to desperation.

To date, Schoen's moves do not suggest an executive preoccupied with "saving his job." Rather, the front office has signed quality players to fair-market contracts without overcommitting resources—especially when compared to the more extravagant spending spree under the previous regime in 2016, which featured approximately $200 million in total contracts for Olivier Vernon, Janoris Jenkins, and Damon Harrison. By contrast, Schoen appears to be operating within measured financial parameters, waiting for the free-agent quarterback market to settle before making any definitive commitments.

Ultimately, whichever quarterback the Giants select (or don't select) in free agency may have limited bearing on the team's immediate trajectory. They are prioritizing fiscal discipline and roster flexibility over splashy acquisitions. This strategy underscores the belief that one new player—particularly in a fluid QB market—will not dramatically alter the organization's long-term outlook this season, and that thoughtful, calculated transactions hold more value for the franchise's future stability. 

In short, the Giants' measured approach to the quarterback position should be seen in a positive light, as it fundamentally contradicts predictions that they would spend recklessly out of desperation. Instead of hastily pouring resources into a marquee name, the front office has opted to wait and assess the free-agent market—a decision that exemplifies a disciplined strategy.

Excellent post. Not everyone thought JS would over shoot his mark on FA targets.

He's learned that lesson. Hopefully

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on March 19, 2025, 08:10:05 PMI agree but Dobell is not going to make him more mobile

I can't imagine Winston is any less mobile than the over the hill gang who are the alternatives.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on March 19, 2025, 10:44:40 PMExcellent post. Not everyone thought JS would over shoot his mark on FA targets.

He's learned that lesson. Hopefully

Quote from: kingm56 on March 19, 2025, 10:33:34 PMIf the Giants were "bowing" to these quarterbacks, they would open their checkbook and aggressively outbid the competition.  Instead, they have done the polar opposite of that prediction: they have exercised notable restraint, adhering to their internal projections for player value. This approach runs counter to the persistent narrative that the organization would spend recklessly due to desperation.

Thus far, Schoen's moves do not suggest an executive preoccupied with "saving his job." Instead, the front office has signed quality players to fair-market contracts without overcommitting resources—especially when contrasted with the previous regime's more extravagant spending in 2016, which saw roughly $200 million allocated to Olivier Vernon, Janoris Jenkins, and Damon Harrison. Similarly, in 2021, Dave Gettleman's desperation culminated in about $140 million spent on players like Kenny Golladay, Adoree' Jackson, Kyle Rudolph, Devontae Booker, John Ross, Ifeadi Odenigbo, Mike Glennon, Zach Fulton, and Reggie Ragland.  In contrast, Schoen appears to be operating within disciplined financial parameters, preferring to wait for the free-agent quarterback market to settle before making any definitive commitments

Ultimately, whichever quarterback the Giants select (or don't select) in free agency may have limited bearing on the team's immediate trajectory. They are prioritizing fiscal discipline and roster flexibility over splashy acquisitions. This strategy underscores the belief that one new player—particularly in a fluid QB market—will not dramatically alter the organization's long-term outlook this season, and that thoughtful, calculated transactions hold more value for the franchise's future stability. 

In short, the Giants' measured approach to the quarterback position should be seen in a positive light, as it fundamentally contradicts predictions that they would spend recklessly out of desperation. Instead of hastily pouring resources into a marquee name, the front office has opted to wait and assess the free-agent market—a decision that exemplifies a disciplined strategy.

I'm not sure giving 38-year old Matthew Stafford $100 million was a measured approach or a disciplined strategy. And they most certainly would have if he didn't decide to remain with the Rams. No, they need to make a splash to create interest in the team as well as retain their jobs. Where they are now in terms of the QB situation has nothing to do with a measured approach. They are waiting on the big name, Rodgers or they would have signed the other lesser names by now. And if they could, they would also trade for the number one pick sacrificing assets in draft picks this year and next. But I believe Tennessee will not make that move unless they are given the moon.

Quote from: kingm56 on March 19, 2025, 10:33:34 PMIf the Giants were "bowing" to these quarterbacks, they would open their checkbook and aggressively outbid the competition.  Instead, they have done the polar opposite of that prediction: they have exercised notable restraint, adhering to their internal projections for player value. This approach runs counter to the persistent narrative that the organization would spend recklessly due to desperation.

Thus far, Schoen's moves do not suggest an executive preoccupied with "saving his job." Instead, the front office has signed quality players to fair-market contracts without overcommitting resources—especially when contrasted with the previous regime's more extravagant spending in 2016, which saw roughly $200 million allocated to Olivier Vernon, Janoris Jenkins, and Damon Harrison. Similarly, in 2021, Dave Gettleman's desperation culminated in about $140 million spent on players like Kenny Golladay, Adoree' Jackson, Kyle Rudolph, Devontae Booker, John Ross, Ifeadi Odenigbo, Mike Glennon, Zach Fulton, and Reggie Ragland.  In contrast, Schoen appears to be operating within disciplined financial parameters, preferring to wait for the free-agent quarterback market to settle before making any definitive commitments

Ultimately, whichever quarterback the Giants select (or don't select) in free agency may have limited bearing on the team's immediate trajectory. They are prioritizing fiscal discipline and roster flexibility over splashy acquisitions. This strategy underscores the belief that one new player—particularly in a fluid QB market—will not dramatically alter the organization's long-term outlook this season, and that thoughtful, calculated transactions hold more value for the franchise's future stability. 

In short, the Giants' measured approach to the quarterback position should be seen in a positive light, as it fundamentally contradicts predictions that they would spend recklessly out of desperation. Instead of hastily pouring resources into a marquee name, the front office has opted to wait and assess the free-agent market—a decision that exemplifies a disciplined strategy.

I seriously wonder if their analysis at this point concludes that they woukd be comfortable drafting Ward, Sanders or Dart at 3 so they know they'll get a QB out of the draft in round 1 and are prepared to start him ala Bears and Redskins.  Rookie QB on a rookie contract.

Quote from: kingm56 on March 19, 2025, 10:33:34 PMIf the Giants were "bowing" to these quarterbacks, they would open their checkbook and aggressively outbid the competition.  Instead, they have done the polar opposite of that prediction: they have exercised notable restraint, adhering to their internal projections for player value. This approach runs counter to the persistent narrative that the organization would spend recklessly due to desperation.

Thus far, Schoen's moves do not suggest an executive preoccupied with "saving his job." Instead, the front office has signed quality players to fair-market contracts without overcommitting resources—especially when contrasted with the previous regime's more extravagant spending in 2016, which saw roughly $200 million allocated to Olivier Vernon, Janoris Jenkins, and Damon Harrison. Similarly, in 2021, Dave Gettleman's desperation culminated in about $140 million spent on players like Kenny Golladay, Adoree' Jackson, Kyle Rudolph, Devontae Booker, John Ross, Ifeadi Odenigbo, Mike Glennon, Zach Fulton, and Reggie Ragland.  In contrast, Schoen appears to be operating within disciplined financial parameters, preferring to wait for the free-agent quarterback market to settle before making any definitive commitments

Ultimately, whichever quarterback the Giants select (or don't select) in free agency may have limited bearing on the team's immediate trajectory. They are prioritizing fiscal discipline and roster flexibility over splashy acquisitions. This strategy underscores the belief that one new player—particularly in a fluid QB market—will not dramatically alter the organization's long-term outlook this season, and that thoughtful, calculated transactions hold more value for the franchise's future stability. 

In short, the Giants' measured approach to the quarterback position should be seen in a positive light, as it fundamentally contradicts predictions that they would spend recklessly out of desperation. Instead of hastily pouring resources into a marquee name, the front office has opted to wait and assess the free-agent market—a decision that exemplifies a disciplined strategy.

I am puzzled as to what supports the claim of fiscal restraints.   By all reports, the Giants have offered Rodgers the most money.  Reports also indicate that the Giants were willing to meet the Rams and Stafford's price.   

The only thing holding back signing the desired QB is the reality that neither (as of this posting) wanted to actually sign with the NY Giants.

The hope that waiting for Rodgers does not morph into Samuel Beckett's , " Waiting For Godot " !!!

They look like chumps if they are waiting for someone.  My hope now is they settled with some options in the Draft.

Quote from: Philosophers on March 20, 2025, 08:48:22 AMThey look like chumps if they are waiting for someone.  My hope now is they settled with some options in the Draft.

They need a QB now along with a draft pick. There are QBs available now. Why haven't they signed one? What is holding them back?