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Quote from: Ed Vette on March 24, 2025, 08:46:02 AMAfter watching film on several games, there were times Hunter was wide open but Sanders had to bail the pocket early. The worst designed Offense and the worst Oline.

That said, I think Sanders value is a
Mid First Round. 15-20. Actually Ward and Dart too.

If the Giants sign Wilson, I would draft Travis Hunter or Carter and never look back. Then I would move up from the second round for a QB and hope Dart is there.

I can see Dart going as early as the Jets or as late as the Steelers.  I would be shocked if he makes it to the 2nd.

I think we need to consider positional value vis a vis Hunter at pick 3. I would immediately put him on the field as CB1 competing with Adebo and move Banks to CB2. He will then have to compete with the loser of the Hunter/Adebo competition for the CB2 spot.

This kind of CB depth will be a good problem to have, and Hunter can have some packages built for him on offense. I would play him alot more snaps at CB than WR.

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on March 28, 2025, 10:11:43 AMI think we need to consider positional value vis a vis Hunter at pick 3. I would immediately put him on the field as CB1 competing with Adebo and move Banks to CB2. He will then have to compete with the loser of the Hunter/Adebo competition for the CB2 spot.

This kind of CB depth will be a good problem to have, and Hunter can have some packages built for him on offense. I would play him alot more snaps at CB than WR.

Andrew,

I like your thinking.  I will say I would go the opposite way.  I would team him up with Nabers to keep DCs up at night.  I would use him at CB as needed due to injury or poor performance.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 28, 2025, 10:39:39 AMAndrew,

I like your thinking.  I will say I would go the opposite way.  I would team him up with Nabers to keep DCs up at night.  I would use him at CB as needed due to injury or poor performance.

I slightly lean this direction as well.  Though I wouldn't be upset by any means if they decided CB was his better position.  If we're saying he plays both equally well, I think there's a bigger impact replacing Slayton than replacing Banks who no longer has to be the #1 guy. 

I would certainly make sure he got in the game on defense in certain situations as well, because if Banks does continue to stink it up we may have to adjust course a bit, but I would prefer to start with him as a WR first and CB 2nd and then be flexible enough to adjust if that turns out not to be the best way to use him.

One thing I'm getting more certain about is that if he's there at 3, and the Giants do not trade down, I feel very strongly that he should be the pick.  If it's Carter/Hunter both there, it would be a tough decision, but I'd still go Hunter.

Quote from: Gmo11 on March 28, 2025, 10:44:11 AMI slightly lean this direction as well.  Though I wouldn't be upset by any means if they decided CB was his better position.  If we're saying he plays both equally well, I think there's a bigger impact replacing Slayton than replacing Banks who no longer has to be the #1 guy. 

I would certainly make sure he got in the game on defense in certain situations as well, because if Banks does continue to stink it up we may have to adjust course a bit, but I would prefer to start with him as a WR first and CB 2nd and then be flexible enough to adjust if that turns out not to be the best way to use him.

One thing I'm getting more certain about is that if he's there at 3, and the Giants do not trade down, I feel very strongly that he should be the pick.  If it's Carter/Hunter both there, it would be a tough decision, but I'd still go Hunter.

Agreed

Plus, what are the odds the starting CBS will stay healthy for an entire season or won't need a break for a series or two?

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 28, 2025, 10:39:39 AMAndrew,

I like your thinking.  I will say I would go the opposite way.  I would team him up with Nabers to keep DCs up at night.  I would use him at CB as needed due to injury or poor performance.

That's how I'd play it.

Either way, it's incredible value at 3 and I think he's the perfect pick for the Giants - if he's there.

Months ago many thought picking at 3 with only 2 QBs was a bad spot.  It turns out it is not Ward and Sanders but Ward, Hunter, Carter and Graham.  At 3 we get a great player or QB1.  I like where we are at especially now that we have Wilson.   Teams will be calling the Giants at Draft Night too.

It wouldn't be the worst thing to draft Hunter and then in round 2 draft McCord or Shough.

My bold prediction is 3 QB go R1 and then none in R2.

Quote from: londonblue on March 28, 2025, 01:55:39 PMMy bold prediction is 3 QB go R1 and then none in R2.

If that happens, the Giants would be sitting pretty with the first pick in round 3

I'm curious about the opinions of people who have seen alot of Hunter.  Is he considered as good a WR as Nabors.  If the answer is yes, these 2 guys on the field at the same time plus speed on the outside and ordinary QBs will look really.  Just make sure the OL can protect

How QBs are ranked/rated before the Draft is not at all how they may be valued by teams with an obvious, sometimes compelling need.

I think we can assume that the signings of Wilson and Winston buys Schoencorp flexibility re next month's Draft, as well as time and job security if it results in a notable improvement in the team's performance. Still, it is not clear to me just what they will choose to do on Day One whether it's bpa: Hunter, Carter or Graham, or a "chips in" rookie QB: Sanders or Dart.

Hunter had been my "lead pipe" before they signed a high-quality CB, Paulson Adebo in FA. He probably still is given his unique CB/WR versatility.

Otherwise, Carter would be a formidable addition at left side Edge, unless he or Thibs switch sides. Another PSU Parson? And no doubt, Mason Graham next to Dex would be formidable and almost certainly so in improving the Giants godawful run defense. Either way, it could begin to remind us of a 2011 with Tuck, Pierre-Paul, and Kiwi, Canty and Joseph.

And of their 8 total picks, 4 indeed almost 5 are in the top 100 with which to address the Oline and perhaps RB. No good reason to feel droopy.

Cheers!

Quote from: nb587 on March 28, 2025, 02:34:40 PMI'm curious about the opinions of people who have seen alot of Hunter.  Is he considered as good a WR as Nabors.  If the answer is yes, these 2 guys on the field at the same time plus speed on the outside and ordinary QBs will look really.  Just make sure the OL can protect

It's gonna be tough to be on the level of Nabers.  Nabers and Marvin Harrison Jr were outliers at the position last year.  But for WRs this year Hunter is about as good as any of them.  If you're looking at drafting just a WR there might be another guy based on your offense or your roster you prefer, same thing if you need a CB you might prefer Johnson as a pure corner, but the fact that he can do both at an extremely high level makes him more valuable than just about any other player in this draft.  If you're not going QB anyway.

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 28, 2025, 01:41:17 PMIt wouldn't be the worst thing to draft Hunter and then in round 2 draft McCord or Shough.

Drafting McCord at the top of the 2nd round would be a nightmare scenario. That's a full 2-round overdraft.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 28, 2025, 07:14:04 PMDrafting McCord at the top of the 2nd round would be a nightmare scenario. That's a full 2-round overdraft.

That's your opinion. I know he's ranked about seven in most projections, but I don't see it as a nightmare. Most likely, Howard and Shough go before him and I know that. I won't however be surprised if some team sees him as a fit for their system.