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While someone like Hyatt may benefit from a qb like Wilson

Wilson's limitations are that he does not throw in the middle of the field ....


Where does this leave Wandale ? I like the guy although he was short of the sticks too much of the time but I also think that is partly due to who we had at QB

I THINK/HOPE the offense is better as a whole .... But Wandale may not benefit from this

Wandale has been a waste of a draft pick IMHO.  All I ever saw from him were 3rd down and 8 yards to go then he catches a 4 yard pass and runs an extra yard so it's 4th down and 3 yards to go.  Everything with him is short, short, short.

Quote from: killarich on March 29, 2025, 11:23:01 AMWhile someone like Hyatt may benefit from a qb like Wilson

Wilson's limitations are that he does not throw in the middle of the field ....


Where does this leave Wandale ? I like the guy although he was short of the sticks too much of the time but I also think that is partly due to who we had at QB

I THINK/HOPE the offense is better as a whole .... But Wandale may not benefit from this

Quote from: killarich on March 29, 2025, 11:23:01 AMWhile someone like Hyatt may benefit from a qb like Wilson

Wilson's limitations are that he does not throw in the middle of the field ....


Where does this leave Wandale ? I like the guy although he was short of the sticks too much of the time but I also think that is partly due to who we had at QB

I THINK/HOPE the offense is better as a whole .... But Wandale may not benefit from this

That's what might be called, "getting ahead of the sticks", I'd say. I suppose such anxiety is a reflection of our PTSD (Pretty Tired of Sucking Depression).

But then the seemingly endless negativity of some folks around here can be a cause all in itself.

Cheers!

Quote from: Painter on March 29, 2025, 11:53:46 AMThat's what might be called, "getting ahead of the sticks", I'd say. I suppose such anxiety is a reflection of our PTSD (Pretty Tired of Sucking Depression).

But then the seemingly endless negativity of some folks around here can be a cause all in itself.

Cheers!

I am excited about the Wilson signing.  A good draft to improve our OL, another WR, another RB, and DL and I think we'd be at least entertaining to watch.  I'll take that.

Wandale had no issue with Tyrod at Qb and his analytics have always been elite. I always took the short routes as him knowing that his Qb refused to throw beyond 6 yards most of the time and trying to get in a spot so he'd actually throw it.


If I am being honest, Winston with the Wrs we have and potentially Hunter also is significantly more intriguing to me than Wilson. Wilson doesn't do the middle if the field, he doesn't do progressions, short game, and a lot more. So is the occasional deep ball worth everything you lose.

Slot guys need to know where the hashmarks and where the holes in a zone are to sit.  Do not think Robinson knows either.

Quote from: Philosophers on March 29, 2025, 03:57:41 PMSlot guys need to know where the hashmarks and where the holes in a zone are to sit.  Do not think Robinson knows either.

Robinson is very good at getting himself open. The issue is the Giants have had absolutely no deep passing game the last few years, which limits what you can do as an offense overall. Everybody takes a hit when the defense knows they rarely have to cover anything more than 10 yards down the field.

Who knows what the Giants offense will look like with a QB that is not afraid to throw the damn ball. Robinson may be contributor to getting 1st downs or not. Not having a QB standing there waiting for a guy to get open who is already open by NFL standards is a Giant plus in my observation. I hope that Wilson will throw the damn ball and not have a brain freeze like we witnessed last season. Actual offense. Can we get some?

I know the SEC folks said Robinson was more worrisome than other WRs there when he played at Kentucky.  I hope that Robinson returns to the Giants with a new QB.

Quote from: Philosophers on March 29, 2025, 03:57:41 PMSlot guys need to know where the hashmarks and where the holes in a zone are to sit.  Do not think Robinson knows either.

I think the problem is two-fold: @Jclayton92 touched on the first part... not having a QB who wasn't reluctant to throw beyond 5 yards. The second part is the defense; they  knew Jones was always looking for the checkdown so they moved the short zone coverage short of the sticks. That pocket for Robinson to sit in was now 2-3 yards short of the sticks. Hard to fault the guy for playing what he's been given.

Quote from: T200 on March 30, 2025, 07:02:40 AMI think the problem is two-fold: @Jclayton92 touched on the first part... not having a QB who wasn't reluctant to throw beyond 5 yards. The second part is the defense; they  knew Jones was always looking for the checkdown so they moved the short zone coverage short of the sticks. That pocket for Robinson to sit in was now 2-3 yards short of the sticks. Hard to fault the guy for playing what he's been given.

That's pretty much how I saw it as well. I also soured on Nabers a bit as the season wore on with the lazy routes, drops in critical situations, and yards per catch that were in the TE realm. Why no complaints about him?

It wasn't the players. It was the offense and balls arriving just a half tick late that made it hard on the WRs to get their shoulders turned up field. The whole timing for the Offense was off yet predictable which made it hard to convert first downs. I think we all grew tired of the 4 yard routes on 3rd and 5. Those passes should be the last option, and too often it seemed like they were the 1st or 2nd.

Robinson and Nabers were in the top 10-12 in the NFL for targets and receptions all season, yet Theo Johnson had more yards per catch...... all season. What's wrong with that picture?

Quote from: bamagiantfan on March 30, 2025, 07:42:25 AMThat's pretty much how I saw it as well. I also soured on Nabers a bit as the season wore on with the lazy routes, drops in critical situations, and yards per catch that were in the TE realm. Why no complaints about him?

It wasn't the players. It was the offense and balls arriving just a half tick late that made it hard on the WRs to get their shoulders turned up field. The whole timing for the Offense was off yet predictable which made it hard to convert first downs. I think we all grew tired of the 4 yard routes on 3rd and 5. Those passes should be the last option, and too often it seemed like they were the 1st or 2nd.

Robinson and Nabers were in the top 10-12 in the NFL for targets and receptions all season, yet Theo Johnson had more yards per catch...... all season. What's wrong with that picture?

Having a QB who knows how to throw to a spot versus to the receiver as well as throwing him open is going to help the passing game overall.

Second-guessing may be a hard habit, and addictive for some, to break, but as Jughead used to say, "Relax Archie, Relax!

Cheers!

I expect all of our receivers to enjoy some sort of a boost to their production next season now that we have Wilson throwing them the ball instead of Jones/Lock/DeVito.

I don't think there are any very good receivers on this team other than Nabers, who is outstanding. The rest are complementary players in my view. I know some here believe Hyatt has untapped potential and could explode into something special, but I don't see it. And we've seen enough of Wan'Dale at this point to have an idea of what he is. He can be a decent player, but he's not special. Obviously Slayton isn't either, though he is effective enough to have been worth keeping.

I don't know that I'd prioritize receiver in this draft, but if there is someone they like who slips or someone they have a view on in the later rounds, they should (and I'm sure will) pull the trigger. To be a good offense in the modern NFL, you really need at least two good (ie better than average) pass catchers and preferably two very good to great ones. Right now we really only have one. After Nabers, everyone else is pretty middling (at best).

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 30, 2025, 10:48:32 AMI expect all of our receivers to enjoy some sort of a boost to their production next season now that we have Wilson throwing them the ball instead of Jones/Lock/DeVito.

I don't think there are any very good receivers on this team other than Nabers, who is outstanding. The rest are complementary players in my view. I know some here believe Hyatt has untapped potential and could explode into something special, but I don't see it. And we've seen enough of Wan'Dale at this point to have an idea of what he is. He can be a decent player, but he's not special. Obviously Slayton isn't either, though he is effective enough to have been worth keeping.

I don't know that I'd prioritize receiver in this draft, but if there is someone they like who slips or someone they have a view on in the later rounds, they should (and I'm sure will) pull the trigger. To be a good offense in the modern NFL, you really need at least two good (ie better than average) pass catchers and preferably two very good to great ones. Right now we really only have one. After Nabers, everyone else is pretty middling (at best).

I think it's worth having a discussion on Hyatt. I saw a guy who in his rookie year made some flashy catches and the fan base was thrilled to have a "weapon"....fast forward to last year, I saw a guy who when they gave him a look, he seemed to have the defender beat by a couple steps and a few times he had to slow up in order to catch the ball (or attempt to catch the ball)...I also remember a lot of passes were thrown out of bounds with no chance to catch it.

I wish we knew what the issue was with Hyatt. If he's lazy, can't block, doesn't know the plays etc...I wish we knew. Our beat reporters not only stink, they're wrong more often than right.