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I hear that comment here and among pundits.   In some ways, I agree, but I think it's worth noting the timeline:


March 14th, Wilson visits with the Giants, and the Giants make an offer (Wilsn does not immediately accept).  Wilson had visited the Browns the previous day.

March 18th, Jameis Winston visits the Giants.   

March 21st, Jamis Winston agrees to an offer from the Giants

March 25th,  Russell Wilson agrees to terms.

So was Winston signed as a contingency plan in case Wilson opted to sign elsewhere, or were the dual veteran QB signings an indication the Giants don't see an answer at QB in this year's draft class?

If reports are accurate that the Giants vigorously pursued Stafford, I think it's safe to say they would have been less eager to draft a QB should that have happened.

Due to age, I don't think the pursuit of Rodgers was an indicator one way or the other.

I think it could be an insurance policy in case they lose out on the QB they covet in the draft.


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I would add in missing out on Stafford. The Giants meet the Rams asking price and offered Stafford a "Hefty" contract. It shows Schoen desire to address QB without drafting a QB at 3. 


March 3rd, Stafford Rejects Giants Hefty contract to stay in LA

March 14th, Wilson visits with the Giants, and the Giants make an offer (Wilson does not immediately accept).  Wilson had visited the Browns the previous day.

March 18th, Jameis Winston visits the Giants. 

March 21st, Jamis Winston agrees to an offer from the Giants

March 25th, Russell Wilson agrees to terms.


There is a lot of conversation that Schoen signed Winston within days of getting a clear picture on Titans intentions.

I think Schoen has learned contingency planning is a must.  Once he didn't get Stafford who was not coming to the Giants to mentor a QB, he feels Titans are taking Ward,  he wasn't sold on Sanders at 3, he started building a QB unit.

Winston said yes and he signed him. It appears Winston was aware other QB plans were being pursued, ex. the Wilson talks were still ongoing.

I would say the signing of Winston AND Wilson indicates that.  Though doesn't completely rule it out.  (even though it should).  I don't think signing one or the other removes QB from the highest priority but signing both for me means the future isn't the highest priority, winning today is since that's what Mara stupidly mandated, so Hunter or Carter helps that agenda a hell of a lot more than a 3rd string QB would. 

Giants realize lack of depth at any position kills them.  They signed Winston not knowing they'd sign Wilson but they are happy to have both for less than $15 million per year at the most important position.

I think that and comments from Schoen, dismissing any sense of urgency to draft a QB, certainly suggests passing on Sheduer, anyway. 

A great bunch of replies. Excellent thread so far. Bob

They are making sure they have options in case the board goes not according to plan or hope, nothing more or less.

If they wait, then someone else may have signed either or both. Then you would be even more screwed if you can't draft a guy you like.

If anything may suggest that the Giants are not planning to a take a QB-notably Sanders-at 3, it would be the signing of Wilson, I'd say. Quien sabe?

Cheers!

Quote from: Painter on April 02, 2025, 01:27:16 PMIf anything may suggest that the Giants are not planning to a take a QB-notably Sanders-at 3, it would be the signing of Wilson, I'd say. Quien sabe?

Cheers!

I'm not so sure of that, Larry.  In light of Mara's post-season comments, do you think that Schoen/Daboll would risk their employment signing a lesser veteran QB while drafting a QB at 3?

I figured, either way, they need a day one upgrade of their QB room (which, hopefully, Wilson's signing accomplishes)

If they are trying to save their jobs, that means they are also planning ahead as if they will be here in 2026, 2027 etc. A QB, provided they like them, is absolutely in play, I can say that confidently.

Quote from: MrGap92 on April 02, 2025, 02:13:28 PMIf they are trying to save their jobs, that means they are also planning ahead as if they will be here in 2026, 2027 etc. A QB, provided they like them, is absolutely in play, I can say that confidently.

I would agree with that.  However, I would think this is more of an issue of the signings indicating the Giants' feelings about the QB class.

Quote from: MrGap92 on April 02, 2025, 02:13:28 PMIf they are trying to save their jobs, that means they are also planning ahead as if they will be here in 2026, 2027 etc. A QB, provided they like them, is absolutely in play, I can say that confidently.

I don't think it works that way.  Let's say they draft Sanders and he doesn't play a snap.  Meanwhile they pass on Hunter who goes to the Patriots at 4 and is a stud from Day 1.  Playing either CB or WR.  And Banks continues to stink or Hyatt continues to not play and the team finds themselves in dire need of a guy exactly like Hunter to potentially fill 1.5 out of 2 holes.  In this scenario, everybody is fired.  But hey, they drafted the QB of the future....for the next regime to work with.

Thanks to a bumbling buffoon of an owner, they have no choice but to maximize the win total of this season or else there won't be a next season.  They will worry about next season, next season.  So to me, QB is pretty much off the board at #3.  If they love Sanders and he's still there around say 20 or so...maybe they make a move but I tend to doubt it. 

I think they plan on taking Carter or Hunter at 3, and then with their next two picks draft two guys who they believe will start Game 1.  Whether it's a DT, or a Guard, or as Mighty pointed out in another thread an OT which moves Eluemunor to guard.  And while it's easier said than done...if they hit on those picks the way they hit on them last year, a team with Hunter/Carter and 2 more starters added to THIS roster with Wilson or Winston at QB...is pretty damn good.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 02, 2025, 02:24:20 PMI would agree with that.  However, I would think this is more of an issue of the signings indicating the Giants' feelings about the QB class.

I disagree. They may or may not like a QB(s) but at #3 theres no guarantee they would be in a position to select them.

If they really like Shedeur, and/or Ward, and they go 1-2, then all they have on the roster is DeVito if they didn't bring anyone in. What if they sign with another team already or before that point?

That leaves us with Joe Flacco, Trey Lance, and the bottom of the barrel. It would leave us in a tight spot. They have to go into the draft being able to field a full team, which they have more or less accomplished.

If they DO dislike the QB class as a whole, then theres that but in any scenario, they had to sign someone, it wasn't really an option unless #1 overall was secured. So I don't think there is any indication really, I think its just pundits and mock drafters just looking for something to say honestly.

Quote from: Gmo11 on April 02, 2025, 02:46:58 PMI don't think it works that way.  Let's say they draft Sanders and he doesn't play a snap.  Meanwhile they pass on Hunter who goes to the Patriots at 4 and is a stud from Day 1.  Playing either CB or WR.  And Banks continues to stink or Hyatt continues to not play and the team finds themselves in dire need of a guy exactly like Hunter to potentially fill 1.5 out of 2 holes.  In this scenario, everybody is fired.  But hey, they drafted the QB of the future....for the next regime to work with.

Thanks to a bumbling buffoon of an owner, they have no choice but to maximize the win total of this season or else there won't be a next season.  They will worry about next season, next season.  So to me, QB is pretty much off the board at #3.  If they love Sanders and he's still there around say 20 or so...maybe they make a move but I tend to doubt it. 

I think they plan on taking Carter or Hunter at 3, and then with their next two picks draft two guys who they believe will start Game 1.  Whether it's a DT, or a Guard, or as Mighty pointed out in another thread an OT which moves Eluemunor to guard.  And while it's easier said than done...if they hit on those picks the way they hit on them last year, a team with Hunter/Carter and 2 more starters added to THIS roster with Wilson or Winston at QB...is pretty damn good.

These guys are not looking at their jobs in a vacuum like you are. They have a 36 year old QB on a one year deal. Winston is the only QB on contract next year, and he is no spring chicken either. I can see if they signed him to a 3 or 4 year contract, but they didn't.

Their approach to FA alone demonstrates they are staying true to his word, that he isn't throwing a hail mary for self preservation. They will handle the draft the same way. And it is surely possible they dont like the QBs, and pass, but it isnt ruled out by any means.

You don't pass on a potential long term player because to patched a hole with duct tape.