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McCord said the Giants tested him more than any other team.  That is telling IMHO.  I like him and think he offers some very good qualities.  He can continue to get stronger and develop his already good mechanics to become a stronger thrower.  My one question about him is that he is not really athletic at all.  He is a pocket passer only.  Is that something that in today's football we can live with?  I really like a QB with the ability to tuck and run occasionally to make it harder on defenses.  Though I must admit, a QB wins with his arm, not with his legs.

Quote from: Philosophers on April 20, 2025, 08:03:49 AMMcCord said the Giants tested him more than any other team.  That is telling IMHO.  I like him and think he offers some very good qualities.  He can continue to get stronger and develop his already good mechanics to become a stronger thrower.  My one question about him is that he is not really athletic at all.  He is a pocket passer only.  Is that something that in today's football we can live with?  I really like a QB with the ability to tuck and run occasionally to make it harder on defenses.  Though I must admit, a QB wins with his arm, not with his legs.

Sanders is a pocket passer..yet still highly rated. Yes.?

I wish McCord was more athletic...but he has an accelerated grasp of the game that Daboll must appreciate. Could be a third round pick if they are delving this deep.

Quote from: Philosophers on April 20, 2025, 08:03:49 AMMcCord said the Giants tested him more than any other team.  That is telling IMHO.  I like him and think he offers some very good qualities.  He can continue to get stronger and develop his already good mechanics to become a stronger thrower.  My one question about him is that he is not really athletic at all.  He is a pocket passer only.  Is that something that in today's football we can live with?  I really like a QB with the ability to tuck and run occasionally to make it harder on defenses.  Though I must admit, a QB wins with his arm, not with his legs.

I have no idea if McCord is any good or will be any good.  But, going forward I would like the Giants to draft a QB who has no expectations of playing this year (unless the wildcat) and will learn how to be a pro QB in the mental and physical aspects of football and clean ip his deficiencies. In the meantime, build a support cast going forward and let him develop.  We don't need a young QB today; we need next years QB

McCord has size 6'3". nice touch..accurate..and big hands..which help in outdoor games.. 9.5 " so there's measurables there that translate..and he did best Cam Ward and Miami quite spectacularly in a shootout. Maybe a trade is coming with Thibs to add a pick...???.Stay tuned.

I like McCord in the 3rd round way more than Sanders in round 1.  Attach him to Wilson's hip and have him sleep in Wilson's house for a year to learn.

I like McCord, and I think that with a trade down in the 2nd round, he would be an ideal target.  Here is how my mock draft played out, doing just that:

One other thought on McCord.  I found it "interesting" (as Spock would say) that after they had a McCord visit, they publicized their "private" visits with three other QBs.

Quote from: Philosophers on April 20, 2025, 08:03:49 AMMcCord said the Giants tested him more than any other team.  That is telling IMHO.  I like him and think he offers some very good qualities.  He can continue to get stronger and develop his already good mechanics to become a stronger thrower.  My one question about him is that he is not really athletic at all.  He is a pocket passer only.  Is that something that in today's football we can live with?  I really like a QB with the ability to tuck and run occasionally to make it harder on defenses.  Though I must admit, a QB wins with his arm, not with his legs.

Phil: The answer to the question in the title is "yes" IMO, and I'll add that I'm rooting for it. Bob

In my opinion you cannot win big NFL games if you cannot deliver high quality throws from the pocket.

Can you win as a QB who is a great thrower without much mobility? I would argue you still can, albeit it's harder than it used to be. But I don't think you can win in late Jan and February being just a runner who is substandard at passing.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 20, 2025, 09:17:41 AMI like McCord, and I think that with a trade down in the 2nd round, he would be an ideal target.  Here is how my mock draft played out, doing just that:

Rich: Interesting. And uncharacteristic for you IMO.

I would not trade the second pick to move down (up, yes... down, no). I an more than fairly certain we will see a player the Giants have ranked between 10 and 15 over-all who is still available somewhere from Pick 22 thru Pick 30. I would move up for that player.

I do like McCord, but if they trade down 10 picks as you propose, there are nine other slots between where a QB-needy (or QB-desirous) team can trade up to and take McCord. If the Giants think he's worth Pick 44 it is IMO highly likely at least one other team agrees.

Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on April 20, 2025, 10:06:38 AMRich: Interesting. And uncharacteristic for you IMO.

I would not trade the second pick to move down (up, yes... down, no). I an more than fairly certain we will see a player the Giants have ranked between 10 and 15 over-all who is still available somewhere from Pick 20 thru Pick 30. I would move up for that player.

I do like McCord, but if they trade down 10 picks as you propose, there are nine other slots between where a QB-needy (or QB-desirous) team can trade up to and take McCord. If the Giants think he's worth Pick 44 it is IMO highly likely at least one other team agrees.

Bob

Bob,

As one never knows, but I suspect McCord could last until round three.  There are other prospects for QB-needy teams to target, such as Sanders, Dart, Shough, and Milroe.   That should satisfy enough of the teams that I believe the trade down comes with minimal risk.

Gruden's QB Class | Kyle McCord


This episode of Gruden's QB Class features Syracuse University quarterback Kyle McCord.

Gruden's QB Class is hosted by Super Bowl-winning head coach Jon Gruden and showcases six quarterbacks heading into this year's NFL draft. Gruden's QB Class aims to explain football to the average fan while also putting the quarterbacks through a professional-style QB/Coach meeting and tackling on-field challenges that they will soon see in the NFL.

Watched video of McCord and he isn't immobile...made some off platform throws..very accurate ball placement..does read defenses effectively...no Daniel Jones tunnel vision..yes he is a classic pocket passer..needs time..but you see him very confident..aware..productive..I liked his tape better than Sanders, really.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 20, 2025, 09:17:41 AMI like McCord, and I think that with a trade down in the 2nd round, he would be an ideal target.  Here is how my mock draft played out, doing just that:

Martinez I like a lot..Mbow is super smart tech wise..will overcome some limitations..McCord seems to be on their radar..perhaps he has really impressed in the classroom and hence into the second round..maybe..a bit high for me..though.

Quote from: spiderblue43 on April 20, 2025, 11:11:15 AMMartinez I like a lot..Mbow is super smart tech wise..will overcome some limitations..McCord seems to be on their radar..perhaps he has really impressed in the classroom and hence into the second round..maybe..a bit high for me..though.

Watch the Jon Gruden video, McCord has it in the classroom