Big Blue Huddle

By former 14-year NFL QB Chase Daniels


Jaxson Dart is Something Special - QB Breakdown with Chase Daniel

Great breakdown!  Some of those throws, he looks like it's all arm, no lower body in the the motion. Like to see him step into the throw and drive the ball a little more.

Quote from: Gman329 on April 25, 2025, 09:09:19 AMGreat breakdown!  Some of those throws, he looks like it's all arm, no lower body in the the motion. Like to see him step into the throw and drive the ball a little more.

I have overloaded on scouting reports on Dart.  As you observed, there are some mechanical issues that impact his throwing.  If he cleans them up, the sky is the limit.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2025, 09:15:04 AMI have overloaded on scouting reports on Dart.  As you observed, there are some mechanical issues that impact his throwing.  If he cleans them up, the sky is the limit.

Yeah eyes and feet need a little work but we have a year. He's going to pop in preseason throwing bombs to Hyatt and rpos and screens to nabers/wandale and people will want him to start. But he needs a year.

Dart is 21 years old and has been baptized in SEC play - he is NOT a finished project. He's still just a kid! He will get a year of tutoring by a SB QB, and will have private and intense training from some of NFL's best including having Eli's ear and support. And Dart isn't an average student with average grades...he is smart, having graduated from Ole Miss with a 3.71 GPA and was named to the Chancellor's and Dean's Honor Rolls twice, and made appearances on the Athletic Director's Honor Roll and the SEC Honor Roll

It will be fun watching him as he develops into an NFL QB...he has the tools and the mindset. Hopefully, the Giants have finally taken their first step out of QB-Hell

He has all of the tools, everything you want, except maybe a tiny tad more arm strength at times. But he can make every throw, he had the character, teammates all love him, and now in a fantastic situation, learning for a year or maybe a bit more behind Wilson and Winston, two great guys to be behind, alongside coaching, and not having the expectation of a top 5-10 pick on him. He is in a great situation to develop in a Jordan Love type way.

Quote from: MrGap92 on April 25, 2025, 10:09:00 AMHe has all of the tools, everything you want, except maybe a tiny tad more arm strength at times. But he can make every throw, he had the character, teammates all love him, and now in a fantastic situation, learning for a year or maybe a bit more behind Wilson and Winston, two great guys to be behind, alongside coaching, and not having the expectation of a top 5-10 pick on him. He is in a great situation to develop in a Jordan Love type way.

Totally agree with this take.  And it's even better that we got to keep pick 65 tonight.  Plus, if the defense comes together as a top ten unit, that's even less pressure on a young QB to win games by yourself.

Of course, if he's not the guy after all we'll be right back in the same boat.  And the flip side of that coin includes a still unfortunately unstable OL. 

But for me, for now- I choose hope!!!! 

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 25, 2025, 09:30:59 AMYeah eyes and feet need a little work but we have a year. He's going to pop in preseason throwing bombs to Hyatt and rpos and screens to nabers/wandale and people will want him to start. But he needs a year.

J: Yes, that was the "hidden cost" of moving up for Dart. He's not available immediately, as a non-QB drafted by moving up would have been. Well, the year won't be "wasted" because he'll be improving mentally & getting familiar with how to play while the home fans are booing. lol

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I did hear the one thing that concerned me on tiki show. That at time in big spots he'd screw up because of the pressure of the spot he was in when it was needed. Opposite of Eli. Hopefully in the next level that won't be an issue as we've seen with some QBs like Mcnabb in the past.

Also that he was a RPO/PAP and normally played half the field, plus the clapping before the hike as well as deciding where to go with the ball.

Think some if not most of it can be on the coach/scheme and team aspect like the clapping, but being able to direct the defense and make progressions is huge. You can only play half the field so long before they shut you down.

Quote from: DragonSoul on April 26, 2025, 12:30:20 AMI did hear the one thing that concerned me on tiki show. That at time in big spots he'd screw up because of the pressure of the spot he was in when it was needed. Opposite of Eli. Hopefully in the next level that won't be an issue as we've seen with some QBs like Mcnabb in the past.

Also that he was a RPO/PAP and normally played half the field, plus the clapping before the hike as well as deciding where to go with the ball.

Think some if not most of it can be on the coach/scheme and team aspect like the clapping, but being able to direct the defense and make progressions is huge. You can only play half the field so long before they shut you down.

Bobby Skinner voiced a lot of concerns about Dart as well.  Look, we know the Giants weren't "in love" with Dart.  If they were, he would have been drafted 3rd overall.   So there are warts and there are concerns, we can just hope for the best.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 07:17:29 AMBobby Skinner voiced a lot of concerns about Dart as well.  Look, we know the Giants weren't "in love" with Dart.  If they were, he would have been drafted 3rd overall.   So there are warts and there are concerns, we can just hope for the best.

Agreed, and the same can be said about other teams (such as the Saints) not loving him to that degree.

With that said, I won't bring up the usual QBs people always like to bring up (Brady, Russell Wilson, Purdy, even Dak) who got drafted much later than what their eventual careers would suggest they should have. Instead, here are a few QBs who got drafted in a roughly similar area to where Dart was taken:

Lamar Jackson: 32nd overall.
Aaron Rodgers: 24th overall.
Jordan Love: 26th overall.

I appreciate that Love has not yet risen to the levels that the first two examples do, but he is still only 26 and has already had success in the National Football League, including leading the Packers to the playoffs. The other two are Hall of Famers.

Obviously, the purpose of listing these QBs is not to suggest that Dart will be as good as any of them. The purpose is just to remind myself, and others here, that none of the above QBs were seen to be can't-miss, truly elite prospects on draft day. All were perceived to have warts, just the way Dart is being perceived.

We really don't know. Neither do the Giants. The great thing is that there is absolutely no rush to play Dart. Hell, they really don't even have to play him in 2026 if they don't feel he is ready. I appreciate the hope is that you can take advantage of the years he is on his rookie deal, but I would argue it is much more important to set him up to succeed, however long that takes. I am sure the plan is to have him ready by 2026, but if they feel his development is taking longer than that, then so be it. Jordan Love sat out for two years, and that seems to be going ok. Rodgers really wasn't the starter in Green Bay for three years, and his career appears to have gone ok. Rushing rookie QBs onto the field, even ones taken in the top five, often proves to have been a bad idea. I love that the Giants realize this and have no intentions of doing that. I know fans are curious and want to see him, but we all need to be patient.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 26, 2025, 07:50:35 AMAgreed, and the same can be said about other teams (such as the Saints) not loving him to that degree.

With that said, I won't bring up the usual QBs people always like to bring up (Brady, Russell Wilson, Purdy, even Dak) who got drafted much later than what their eventual careers would suggest they should have. Instead, here are a few QBs who got drafted in a roughly similar area to where Dart was taken:

Lamar Jackson: 32nd overall.
Aaron Rodgers: 24th overall.
Jordan Love: 26th overall.

I appreciate that Love has not yet risen to the levels that the first two examples do, but he is still only 26 and has already had success in the National Football League, including leading the Packers to the playoffs. The other two are Hall of Famers.

Obviously, the purpose of listing these QBs is not to suggest that Dart will be as good as any of them. The purpose is just to remind myself, and others here, that none of the above QBs were seen to be can't-miss, truly elite prospects on draft day. All were perceived to have warts, just the way Dart is being perceived.

We really don't know. Neither do the Giants. The great thing is that there is absolutely no rush to play Dart. Hell, they really don't even have to play him in 2026 if they don't feel he is ready. I appreciate the hope is that you can take advantage of the years he is on his rookie deal, but I would argue it is much more important to set him up to succeed, however long that takes. I am sure the plan is to have him ready by 2026, but if they feel his development is taking longer than that, then so be it. Jordan Love sat out for two years, and that seems to be going ok. Rodgers really wasn't the starter in Green Bay for three years, and his career appears to have gone ok. Rushing rookie QBs onto the field, even ones taken in the top five, often proves to have been a bad idea. I love that the Giants realize this and have no intentions of doing that. I know fans are curious and want to see him, but we all need to be patient.

I agree, being drafted 25th hardly is a career death sentence.  As for getting on the field, it will be interesting.  If the Giants are out of the playoff hunt by their usual Halloween/Thanksgiving, do the Giants put Dart in to get him reps to develop?

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 07:17:29 AMBobby Skinner voiced a lot of concerns about Dart as well.  Look, we know the Giants weren't "in love" with Dart.  If they were, he would have been drafted 3rd overall.  So there are warts and there are concerns, we can just hope for the best.

I disagree. I believe they were in love with him, but they had a potential generational player on their laps, and knowing from their Intel, they could get Dart later that round or in the 34th slot. The risk of losing Dart was acceptable to getting Carter. Doesn't mean they didn't love Dart. LT vs Simms? LT all the way. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 26, 2025, 07:56:41 AMI agree, being drafted 25th hardly is a career death sentence.  As for getting on the field, it will be interesting.  If the Giants are out of the playoff hunt by their usual Halloween/Thanksgiving, do the Giants put Dart in to get him reps to develop?

The fact that they moved up for him, gives Dart some added credibility.