Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: londonblue on April 25, 2025, 12:55:54 PMWe will never know for certain what would have happened if we had not traded up. I am not a huge fan of the decision but we are where we are. If Daboll is right about Dart it will transform our future. If he is wrong he and Schoen will get fired and we will endure the consequences. The swing has been taken. The pitch is still inbound and the outcome uncertain.

london: Then we pretty much agree. We question the move, but since we still trust the movers, it's okay. Bob

If, as some have said, and Schoen even had an inkling that the Rams were ready to draft Dart, then it was a fantastic move to get the QB we wanted. We sit here and speculate, but insiders, especially GMs, have to have an inkling as to what's going on around them; at least good GMs will.
Time will tell if this was a good move or not, but Schoen has shown he is growing into the GM role each year.
If the Rams were truly ready to draft Dart and the Giants suspected that, the trade-up was perfect. As someone said yesterday, if Philly's GM had made that move, he would be hailed as a genius.
Give Schoen some of the credit.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 25, 2025, 01:01:44 PMHow did we feel when Devonte Smith was snaked from us?  How about Conklin and Leonard Floyd?

There is no way to know the answer to the question.  Still, if you like a QB prospect, better to be aggressive and perhaps miss out on a little value maximization than lose out on the prospect all together

Rich: I think the only better value they could have gotten (look how much the mover-up right after us paid!) would be to have obtained an NFL-starter-ready player rather than a guy who will sit for one year. Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on April 25, 2025, 12:57:16 PMmadb: Good one! I'll put you down as a "no" in response to the question I posed. lol

Speaking of that, what did you make of the Eagles switching picks with the Chiefs?

If it was to block a team, which team do you think they were trying to block from trading with KC?

Bob

Jihad Campbell had a top 10 grade until recently and he falls to Howie Roseman. I swear that guy has a deal with the devil. Great players consistently fall to him. It's maddening.

Ask Phil Simms. He's always been clued in when teams would take a QB.

He'll let us know

In all seriousness, the immediate trade down makes me think Dart would have gone to the Rams.

Quote from: jgrangers2 on April 25, 2025, 01:01:58 PMI've got to think that the Giants had some sort of intel or believe that somebody else wanted Dart in order to make this move. Ultimately, the price wasn't that high so, even if they didn't have that intel, making the move to secure their guy isn't a bad play. That said, I don't buy that the Rams were locked in on Dart and moved out because of it. I think they saw an opportunity to trade out of a weaker draft in favor of an additional first rounder next year when they hope the talent available is stronger.

jg: That makes sense. Also, it's possible all the players the Rams really wanted in round one were already taken, so why not get an extra first-rounder for next year. Bob

Quote from: LennG on April 25, 2025, 01:13:24 PMIf, as some have said, and Schoen even had an inkling that the Rams were ready to draft Dart, then it was a fantastic move to get the QB we wanted. We sit here and speculate, but insiders, especially GMs, have to have an inkling as to what's going on around them; at least good GMs will.
Time will tell if this was a good move or not, but Schoen has shown he is growing into the GM role each year.
If the Rams were truly ready to draft Dart and the Giants suspected that, the trade-up was perfect. As someone said yesterday, if Philly's GM had made that move, he would be hailed as a genius.
Give Schoen some of the credit.

Lenn: I do give Schoen and company credit for having the courage of their convictions. Here's hoping their Dart hits the target. lol

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on April 25, 2025, 01:18:37 PMAsk Phil Simms. He's always been clued in when teams would take a QB.

He'll let us know

In all seriousness, the immediate trade down makes me think Dart would have gone to the Rams.

ED: It sure looks that way. And thanks again for The Beast!!! Bob

Quote from: madbadger on April 25, 2025, 01:17:30 PMJihad Campbell had a top 10 grade until recently and he falls to Howie Roseman. I swear that guy has a deal with the devil. Great players consistently fall to him. It's maddening.

madb: Regarding Campbell, in case you don't know it was BOTH shoulders injured at two separate times, so he may not play at all this year.

They CAN afford it. We cannot, which is why I was hoping for a trade up but for a player who can play immediately.

In any event, the move reminds me of when Jerry Jones drafted a really severely injured LB whose name I cannot remember and had to wait at least one year for him to heal (back when they had a top team) and the guy did eventually return to play, and was half-decent but never anything special.

Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on April 25, 2025, 01:29:08 PMIn any event, the move reminds me of when Jerry Jones drafted a really severely injured LB whose name I cannot remember and had to wait at least one year for him to heal (back when they had a top team) and the guy did eventually return to play, and was half-decent but never anything special.

Bob

Jaylon Smith (also became a New York Giant for a season or two).

Quote from: Bob In PA on April 25, 2025, 12:06:33 PMLarry: "Could we have obtained Dart without trading up" is a fair question for anyone interested in professional football, and I don't see any whining in any of the responses (except for your post whining about the question). Cheers.

Talk about touchy, eh! Suits you or not, there is nothing I said that is not true, and you damn well know it. So, which is of more concern, your taking exception or my taking exception? Doesn't really matter although a bit disappointing to have come from you, Bob otherwise I might have chosen to ignore it. 

Cheers! 

Quote from: Painter on April 25, 2025, 02:06:44 PMTalk about touchy, eh! Suits you or not, there is nothing I said that is not true, and you damn well know it. So, which is of more concern, your taking exception or my taking exception? Doesn't really matter although a bit disappointing to have come from you, Bob otherwise I might have chosen to ignore it. 

Well I for one am glad you didn't choose to ignore it.

The risk wasn't worth keeping the 99 and a 2026 3rd.

Thats legit; I'm just fine with that. 

Honestly to land the 2nd QB in the draft it is a hell of a deal.

Bob, like everyone else here, I have no idea. However, it struck me that the Giants apparently saw a huge gulf in their perceived value of Ward and Dart. I don't think they would've valued Ward in the same ballpark as the top-3 QBs last year, so I'm not sure where that leaves Dart.

What we know for sure is the Giants valued Dart more than they valued Sanders and the others. I'm not sure that tells us as much as people want to believe it tells us. This is sort of a repeat of the Daniel Jones draft where we hope a guy with tools can be molded into something more. Time will tell.

The thing I takeaway from the noise/smoke is that McVey and Kellen Moore both wanted to work with Dart, and that should make people excited.