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Ny Giants Depth Chart 2025 Pre Camp

QB- Russell Wilson, Jameis Winston, Jaxson Dart

RB- Tyrone Tracey, Cam Skattebo, Devin Singletary, Eric Gray, Dante Miller

WR1- Malik Nabers, Zach Pascal, BFW

WR2- Darius Slayton, Jalin Hyatt, Montrell Washington

Slot- Wandale Robinson, Lil Humphrey, Dalen Cambre, Ihmir Smith

TE- Theo Johnson, Dane Bellinger, Chris Manhertz, Thomas Fidone, Greg Dulich

LT- Andrew Thomas, James Hudson, Josh Ezuedu

LG- Jon Runyan, Austin Stinnie

C- JMS, Austin Schlotman, Jimmy Morrissey, Bryan Hudson

RG- Van Roten, Marcus Mbow, Jake Kubas

RT- Eluemunor, Evan Neal, Stone Foresyte

Defense-

DE- Chauncey Golston, Elijah Chatman, Jeremiah Ledbetter

DT- Dexter Lawrence, Robertson-Harris, DJ Davidson

NT- Daruis Alexander, Nunez Roches, Jordan Riley

LOLB- Brian Burns, Dimukeje

MLB1- Bobby Okereke, Chris Board

MLB2- Micah McFadden, Daruis Massau, Dyontae Johnson

ROLB- Abdul Carter, Thibodeaux, Tomon Fox

CB1- Paulson Adebo, Art Green, Nic Jones

CB2- Tae Banks, Tre Hawkins, Korie Black

Nickel- Andrus Phillips, Cordale Flott

SS- Tyler Nubin, Dane Belton, Raheem Layne

FS- Jevon Holland, Anthony Johnson


Any positions that you would want signed, traded for, or a cut pickup before camp starts?

My wishlist:

Dynamic WR or TE that could compete for snaps

Boundary corner so that we have better depth

3rd safety, not only for depth, but most teams need a 3rd safety for formations that they run.

How do you see them configure the front 7? The Giants ran a 2-4-5 and a 3-4 for a majority of the season until Lawrence went down. Could Burns move to DE in a 3 man front? Would you be ok with Carter in McFaddens spot when he's not on the edge so you have Burns, KT, Okereke, and Carter in the 4 linebacker spots, with Golston, Lawrence, Alexander at the 3 line spots? Would a 4-3 get the 3 pass rushers on the field more than a 3-4?

WR and interior OL are super concerning, IMO.

Absolutely no depth at WR, and honestly Nabers is the only starter I'm fond of.

IOL is a complete mess. They're a Runyan injury away from having 3 below average starters inside.

I don't expect them to compete this season, so I'm not worried about it for now. But to position Dart for success in 2026, they need a legit #2 WR and at least 2 new solid starters at center and guard.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on April 26, 2025, 11:43:23 PMWR and interior OL are super concerning, IMO.

Absolutely no depth at WR, and honestly Nabers is the only starter I'm fond of.

IOL is a complete mess. They're a Runyan injury away from having 3 below average starters inside.

I don't expect them to compete this season, so I'm not worried about it for now. But to position Dart for success in 2026, they need a legit #2 WR and at least 2 new solid starters at center and guard.

The good thing about the interior oline now is that we have two starters as backups. Eluemunor and Mbow could slide in immediately at one of the guard spots to fill in. Mbow will likely challenge Van Roten immediately, and be the backup at RG, and RT. Having a guy that should start as a backup now is a good thing. Also don't sleep on Jake Kubas, he was coming from the FCS/N Dakota St and needed a year in the weight room and adjusting to the NFL. He had the 46th best run blocking grade among Guards in the limited snaps he saw. His first start vs Atlanta was ugly but he still only gave up 2 pressures. He could be a guy in year 2 now that he's had time to add weight and muscle could genuinely shock people. If Kubas and Mbow hit, then that is two guys that could cover every single position on the line besides LT and Eluemunor could cover that if needed. So while we do need a swing tackle, I think we are so much better today on the line, or at least I feel so much more comfortable than yesterday.

I fully concur with those who are expressing concern about WR. While Nabers is elite, I feel like there isn't much else, and that include TE. I know some are very high on Hyatt's talent, many here believe Wan'Dale is way better than what he has done here over a meaningful sample, and I know plenty like Theo Johnson. All of those are fair opinions and maybe one or two of them will prove true, but if you look at all the 31 other teams, you'll see that most have a secondary (and not infrequently tertiary) aerial option that has already proven to be better than any of what we have besides Nabers.

This is not a complaint about our draft (which I loved) or our free agency (which I think was productive). When you're 3-14, you can't fix everything in an offseason. But I'd definitely list WR as a clear need now moving forward. You can't have just one guy and then a handful of meh JAGs. That doesn't work in this league.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 26, 2025, 11:37:02 PMNy Giants Depth Chart 2025 Pre Camp

J: Thanks for doing that work. Much appreciated. Bob

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2025, 12:01:27 AMThe good thing about the interior oline now is that we have two starters as backups. Eluemunor and Mbow could slide in immediately at one of the guard spots to fill in. Mbow will likely challenge Van Roten immediately, and be the backup at RG, and RT. Having a guy that should start as a backup now is a good thing. Also don't sleep on Jake Kubas, he was coming from the FCS/N Dakota St and needed a year in the weight room and adjusting to the NFL. He had the 46th best run blocking grade among Guards in the limited snaps he saw. His first start vs Atlanta was ugly but he still only gave up 2 pressures. He could be a guy in year 2 now that he's had time to add weight and muscle could genuinely shock people. If Kubas and Mbow hit, then that is two guys that could cover every single position on the line besides LT and Eluemunor could cover that if needed. So while we do need a swing tackle, I think we are so much better today on the line, or at least I feel so much more comfortable than yesterday.

I wish I shared your optimism re: the IOL. While it's possible 1 or 2 of these guys put it together, hoping for growth is not the most solid of foundations.

Mbow was available in the 5th for a reason. And if he does end up competing with Van Roten, it will be more to do with Van Roten not being good than Mbow being starter worthy. We all expected Ezeudu to compete to start early on, and he had a higher pedigree and stronger performance history than Mbow.

And yes, a guy like Kubas could certainly work out. There are dozens of stories across the league of guys like him turning into league average or slightly better OL. But when is the last time the Giants developed one? Seubert? I get that Bricillo is new and maybe offers more hope, but there's that word "hope" again.

So by my count, that leaves a starting OL with 2 below average guys, 2 league average to slightly above guys, and 1 elite guy with major injury concerns.

This is why my biggest complaint with the draft was not addressing this unit.

Mbow is being broken in at Tackle initially, according to Daboll. Neal was moved to Guard.

WR is a concern and that's after the Giants signed two WRs in free agency

WR ZACH PASCAL (SIGNED)
After going undrafted, Pascal, 6-foot-2 and 215 pounds, spent time with the Commanders (2017), Titans (2017), Colts (2018-21), Eagles (2022), and Cardinals (2023-24). The veteran wide receiver has played in 112 games with 47 starts and has caught 169 passes for 2,057 yards and 16 touchdowns. Pascal has also returned 26 kickoffs for 597 yards (23.0 avg.).

The 30-year-old has played in six postseason games, three with the Colts and three with the Eagles, and totaled eight receptions for 65 yards and a touchdown.

Pascal put together back-to-back campaigns with 40+ receptions, 600+ receiving yards and five receiving touchdowns for the Colts in 2019 and 2020.

Prior to the NFL, Pascal played at Old Dominion where he played in 49 games (41 starts) and finished with 233 receptions, a school record, for 3,184 yards and 30 touchdowns, along with an additional 310 yards and one touchdown on the ground.

In his final two campaigns with the Monarchs, he registered 1,090+ scrimmage yards and nine touchdowns each season. Both years resulted in him being named second-team All-Conference USA. His 1,549 all-purpose yards as a junior were a single-season school record.

WR LIL'JORDAN HUMPHREY (SIGNED)
Humphrey, 6-4 and 225 pounds, is entering his seventh NFL season. He has played in 58 regular-season games with 23 starts for the Saints (2019-21), Patriots (2022), and Broncos (2023-24). His career numbers include 62 receptions for 770 yards (12.4 yards per catch) and seven touchdowns. Humphrey has also appeared in three postseason games, including a start for Denver this past season.

Humphrey played in every game over the last two years with the Broncos, starting a career-high eight games in 2023 and seven in 2024. He posted personal bests in receptions (31) and yards (293) this past season.

Humphrey started 18 of 36 games played in three seasons at the University of Texas (2016-18), finishing with 125 receptions for 1,622 yards with 10 touchdowns. His 1,176 receiving yards as a junior were the third-most in a single season in program history at the time. Humphrey attended Southlake Carroll High School in Texas, where he was a two-time all-state selection.

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 27, 2025, 09:45:28 AMMbow is being broken in at Tackle initially, according to Daboll. Neal was moved to Guard.

That kinda pisses me off because they announced him as a guard. Every scout and person that has done tape on him thinks he's a guard. So now we have to worry they are going to be stubborn like with Neal and Ezeudu keeping them in the wrong position too long. I think Ezuedu would have been a serviceable guard had he been trained at just guard. The flip flopping between guard and LT ruined his development imo.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2025, 10:47:27 AMThat kinda pisses me off because they announced him as a guard. Every scout and person that has done tape on him thinks he's a guard. So now we have to worry they are going to be stubborn like with Neal and Ezeudu keeping them in the wrong position too long. I think Ezuedu would have been a serviceable guard had he been trained at just guard. The flip flopping between guard and LT ruined his development imo.

Oh, I agree. But... we will see if Ezeudu even has a future here anymore. This will surely push him. I agree with starting him at tackle, because the inside is quite violent and I wouldn't want to test that leg at this point. He has great feet and is about 25 lbs too light to play Guard, and he's shown his inability to hold on the Bull Rush.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on April 26, 2025, 11:43:23 PMWR and interior OL are super concerning, IMO.

Absolutely no depth at WR, and honestly Nabers is the only starter I'm fond of.

IOL is a complete mess. They're a Runyan injury away from having 3 below average starters inside.

I don't expect them to compete this season, so I'm not worried about it for now. But to position Dart for success in 2026, they need a legit #2 WR and at least 2 new solid starters at center and guard.

6 UDFA WRs were signed. This is an indicator that the roster is quite thin at that position after Nabers. If we want to eventually play with the Cowboys , Redskins and Eagles we need a WR core that puts fear in opposing defenses.

Go get Keenan Allen or Amari Cooper.

One glaring issue is still depth. Starters are getting to the point where they can be competitive in every game, but the drop off from starter to back up is cataclysmic at some positions.

Quote from: Uncle Mickey on April 27, 2025, 10:55:38 AM6 UDFA WRs were signed. This is an indicator that the roster is quite thin at that position after Nabers. If we want to eventually play with the Cowboys , Redskins and Eagles we need a WR core that puts fear in opposing defenses.

Go get Keenan Allen or Amari Cooper.

At their age I don't know that they are difference makers. There are a couple guys they could probably bring in on the cheap though. DJ Chark, Elijah Moore, Nelson Agholor, Tyler Boyd, or Robert Woods. Cooper only had 500 yards last season, and Allen 700 which I think was less than Slayton with backups.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2025, 10:47:27 AMThat kinda pisses me off because they announced him as a guard. Every scout and person that has done tape on him thinks he's a guard. So now we have to worry they are going to be stubborn like with Neal and Ezeudu keeping them in the wrong position too long. I think Ezuedu would have been a serviceable guard had he been trained at just guard. The flip flopping between guard and LT ruined his development imo.

I think it may just be driving home the point to Neal: Get on board as a guard or take a walk.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on April 26, 2025, 11:43:23 PMWR and interior OL are super concerning, IMO.

Absolutely no depth at WR, and honestly Nabers is the only starter I'm fond of.

IOL is a complete mess. They're a Runyan injury away from having 3 below average starters inside.

I don't expect them to compete this season, so I'm not worried about it for now. But to position Dart for success in 2026, they need a legit #2 WR and at least 2 new solid starters at center and guard.

I am with you.  I only like Nabers unless Hyatt starts getting opps.

Interior OL is a mess.  No confidence in JMS so an even crappier backup at center.  Unless Mbow steps in at RG and plays up, hole there.  As you said, only Runyan injury away from complete disaster plus we know Thomas will be out at some point.