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Pretty rare (if not unheard of) for a Giant GM to get fired after just three seasons. Especially when one of those seasons was unexpectedly good and led to a road playoff win. So it would have really be a firing over two bad seasons. I'm not sure I can agree that bringing him back after just two bad years is "ballsy." I'd argue the opposite would have been knee-jerk if not panicky. Gettleman got a full four years (not to mention the courtesy of a delicately handled exit intended to look like voluntary retirement), and he never once presided over a season remotely like Schoen's 2022. I think GMs just get more rope than coaches. Rightly or wrongly. Firing Schoen after last year for two bad years would have been pretty harsh and unusual.

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 27, 2025, 10:35:41 AMHe could have fired Schoen and Daboll and started the thing all over again. That's usually a 3-year do-over. It was a ballsy call. He also told them he wanted to see improvement, and that prompted Schoen to solidify the QB position with two Veterans. He didn't demand they draft a QB, at least publicly. The keywords are "Some Credit". 

Ed: I'm not surprised. He also ok'd the Jones re-signing. He's a "second and third" chance kind of guy. Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on April 27, 2025, 10:40:30 AMEd: I'm not surprised. He also ok'd the Jones re-signing. He's a "second and third" chance kind of guy. Bob

Tell that to Pat Shurmur and Joe Judge.

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 27, 2025, 09:39:47 AMMara was under a lot of pressure from the fans and sections of the media to clean house after the season (I was among them).  There were even planes flying over the stadium calling for change.


John Mara stood firm against the pressure and held on to Joe Schoen (and Brian Daboll), and the reward seems to be a really good draft and a solid free agency. 

So, should John Mara get some credit?

Would a different GM and HC have done as well?

Yes absolutely but if he really wants to win now this year as he claimed and compete with the Skins, Boys and Eagles we need a vet clutch #2 WR to add to this group. Go get Keenan Allen or Cooper and this roster really looks strong if Wilson plays anywhere near the player he once was.

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 27, 2025, 10:48:40 AMTell that to Pat Shurmur and Joe Judge.

Ed: There's no denying the validity of your point. All I've got is maybe he didn't go to work that day. lol

Quote from: Bob In PA on April 27, 2025, 11:04:37 AMEd: There's no denying the validity of your point. All I've got is maybe he didn't go to work that day. lol

Or, you can teach an old dog new tricks.

Quote from: Uncle Mickey on April 27, 2025, 10:58:01 AMYes absolutely but if he really wants to win now this year as he claimed and compete with the Skins, Boys and Eagles we need a vet clutch #2 WR to add to this group. Go get Keenan Allen or Cooper and this roster really looks strong if Wilson plays anywhere near the player he once was.

You save that for year 2 and 3 if Dart hits, you don't go all in before you see what you have in Dart. If Dart hits then you do go all in.

For seemingly staying out of the way, once and for all. Yes.

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on April 27, 2025, 11:41:35 AMFor seemingly staying out of the way, once and for all. Yes.

They always talk about how well players overcome adversity.  In this case Mara overcame adversity, and the adversity was himself.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 27, 2025, 12:31:36 PMThey always talk about how well players overcome adversity.  In this case Mara overcame adversity, and the adversity was himself.

John Mara would have been an even bigger fool than usual to have fired Joe Schoen, who throughout his mere 3 season tenure, has been burdened by both personnel and salary cap mismanagement by Dave Gettleman, his own hand-picked bloviating crony.

As far as this fan is concerned, the further Mara keeps his mouth shut and his thumb off the scale, the better will be the organization, the staff, the team, and its fans. Do I think he deserves to share credit for what Schoen & Co now seems to be accomplishing in rebuilding through FA and the Draft these past two years? Hell NO!

Cheers!

Do you feel Joe has full control to make football/personnel decisions? 

Quote from: jimc on April 27, 2025, 01:50:42 PMDo you feel Joe has full control to make football/personnel decisions? 

Now, yes, his 1st two years no. I think Mara had the bumper guard rails on the first two years spooked because of Gettleman, but then schoen had a talk and Mara let the grip off a little in 2023, and all the way this offseason.

His ineptitude has caused the fan base 11 years of unadulterated misery. I'll cut him some slack when the team starts winning again. In the meantime he can console himself with the billions he and has family have made over that time.

Quote from: madbadger on April 27, 2025, 02:42:10 PMHis ineptitude has caused the fan base 11 years of unadulterated misery. I'll cut him some slack when the team starts winning again. In the meantime he can console himself with the billions he and has family have made over that time.

Through no merit of his, just the organic increase in the value of professional sports teams in general.