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Quote from: coggs on April 27, 2025, 04:07:07 PMNo.

coggs: I see your rather "lengthy" answer was exactly the same as mine. What are the odds? lol

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 27, 2025, 10:35:41 AMHe could have fired Schoen and Daboll and started the thing all over again. That's usually a 3-year do-over. It was a ballsy call. He also told them he wanted to see improvement, and that prompted Schoen to solidify the QB position with two Veterans. He didn't demand they draft a QB, at least publicly. The keywords are "Some Credit". 

I gave Mara "some credit" in the Schoen thread for not giving into the pitchfork and plane banner crowd.

Schoen isn't the one who needed prompting to upgrade the QB room.

Well..he seemingly let the two .,Daboll and Schoen..create their recovery plan..as far as I can tell. It didn't reek of interference..or meddling..they had to use Dabes skill...from his past..to mold the QB of the future. Why have him as coach then?...or Schoen if they can't select their QB..and sink or swim. Fair enough. .Mara gave them a lifeline..hope we don't have to call again...we've fallen..and we can't get up med alert.

Quote from: coggs on April 27, 2025, 04:07:07 PMNo.

You always HAVE been a wordy SOB.   

I won't defend Mara's mistakes...but running an NFL team mustn't be easy...

I asked AI about Superbowl Champions since 1985 (chose 40 years just because)...and got this:

Since 1985, the following teams have won the Super Bowl: San Francisco 49ers (1985, 1989, 1990, 1995), Chicago Bears (1986), New York Giants (1987, 1991, 2008, 2012), Washington Redskins (1988), Dallas Cowboys (1993, 1994, 1996), Green Bay Packers (1997), Denver Broncos (1998, 1999), St. Louis Rams (2000), Baltimore Ravens (2001), New England Patriots (2002, 2004, 2005, 2015, 2017, 2019), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2003), Pittsburgh Steelers (2006, 2009), Indianapolis Colts (2007), Seattle Seahawks (2014), Kansas City Chiefs (2020, 2022, 2023), Los Angeles Rams (2022)

1 team won 7 Championships (with Brady)
2 teams won 4 (both with multiple QBs)
2 teams won 3 (with Mahomes or Aikman)

Sure the last 10+ have NOT been fun for us...

And I still DOUBT Daboll is "the guy"...but I admit I may be wrong because once upon a time many thought Coughlin wasn't either...and we went through MANY bad coaches before him...yet Wellington Mara stayed patient...even after making mistakes...

Many teams (Chiefs, Steelers, etc.) have some REAL good owners...and they also make mistakes.

Here's to hoping learning from mistakes and patience (John Mara's this time) pays off again...

Go Giants!

Daboll proved in 2022 that he can coach with a Qb and no injuries. I say he had a Qb in 2022 because he figured out a way to cheat code Jones into being serviceable before teams solved what he was doing.

Quote from: bamagiantfan on April 27, 2025, 09:57:51 AMMost fans love their team's draft every year. This one has some promise but I'll save any cap tipping until the end of the season. Continuous improvement and meaningful games in December is all I ask.

A man of reason . Thank you . I agree

Generally speaking, I see a lot of praise for this year's draft towards J Schoen.

I find it very hard to assess someone's job because of a draft class that has shown nothing yet. Yes, looks promising ON PAPER, but as is, nothing has been proven yet.

I would wait to say that Schoen has done his job well.

Equally, it's difficult to say whether Mara has taken the right decision to keep JS. We'll see.

I'm old enough to remember when we all got excited with off season moves only to get crushed as fans once the real games began. If I haven't learned my lesson at my age, shame on me.

Quote from: HondurasGiants on April 27, 2025, 07:19:12 PMI won't defend Mara's mistakes...but running an NFL team mustn't be easy...

I asked AI about Superbowl Champions since 1985 (chose 40 years just because)...and got this:

Since 1985, the following teams have won the Super Bowl: San Francisco 49ers (1985, 1989, 1990, 1995), Chicago Bears (1986), New York Giants (1987, 1991, 2008, 2012), Washington Redskins (1988), Dallas Cowboys (1993, 1994, 1996), Green Bay Packers (1997), Denver Broncos (1998, 1999), St. Louis Rams (2000), Baltimore Ravens (2001), New England Patriots (2002, 2004, 2005, 2015, 2017, 2019), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2003), Pittsburgh Steelers (2006, 2009), Indianapolis Colts (2007), Seattle Seahawks (2014), Kansas City Chiefs (2020, 2022, 2023), Los Angeles Rams (2022)

1 team won 7 Championships (with Brady)
2 teams won 4 (both with multiple QBs)
2 teams won 3 (with Mahomes or Aikman)

Sure the last 10+ have NOT been fun for us...

And I still DOUBT Daboll is "the guy"...but I admit I may be wrong because once upon a time many thought Coughlin wasn't either...and we went through MANY bad coaches before him...yet Wellington Mara stayed patient...even after making mistakes...

Many teams (Chiefs, Steelers, etc.) have some REAL good owners...and they also make mistakes.

Here's to hoping learning from mistakes and patience (John Mara's this time) pays off again...

Go Giants!

Excellent post 

Quote from: katkavage on April 28, 2025, 07:08:25 AMI'm old enough to remember when we all got excited with off season moves only to get crushed as fans once the real games began. If I haven't learned my lesson at my age, shame on me.

You don't have to be "old enough".  If you got excited in any of the past 10+ offseasons, you had your hopes crushed more often than not.   

I have been wondering what is it about this offseason that makes it different from the others. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 28, 2025, 08:34:40 AMYou don't have to be "old enough".  If you got excited in any of the past 10+ offseasons, you had your hopes crushed more often than not.   

I have been wondering what is it about this offseason that makes it different from the others. 

The tone of the board regarding the draft, as I can tell, has been:

1 - Do not mortgage the future for a QB
2 - Do not trade up/force/reach for a QB
3 - Do not pick Shedeur Sanders
4 - Carter is who most wanted at 3
5 - Hope Dart is available when the Giants pick again

People tend to be more satisfied when they get what they want. I don't think there is a person on this site who would give Schoen anything less than an 'A' for this offseason.

Quote from: T200 on April 28, 2025, 08:44:56 AMThe tone of the board regarding the draft, as I can tell, has been:

1 - Do not mortgage the future for a QB
2 - Do not trade up/force/reach for a QB
3 - Do not pick Shedeur Sanders
4 - Carter is who most wanted at 3
5 - Hope Dart is available when the Giants pick again

People tend to be more satisfied when they get what they want. I don't think there is a person on this site who would give Schoen anything less than an 'A' for this offseason.

That would explain why people may be feeling better, but I am not sure how much. "They did what I wanted them to do" is sound reasoning.   None of us are GMs or qualified to be GMs.

Plus, in terms of plans, so many are pointing to building a great defense.  Yet, the reality is this is play 3 (give or take)

At Quarterback

Plan 1-  Trade away draft capital and sign Stafford to a contract that took up much of the team's 2025 cap space

Plan 2-  Sign Rodgers and use more cap space on a QB than they ultimately did

Plan 3-  Sign Wilson (and Winston)


In free agency

Plan 1-  Spend money upgrading the guard position (Daboll confirmed this)

Plan 2- Fail to land a guard so focus on defensive players (again Daboll confirmed)


So are we really thinking backup plans are going to turn this thing around?  I am not saying it won't.  I will say if they do, then I think it's proof that of the old saying-  Better lucky, than good 

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 28, 2025, 08:50:40 AMThat would explain why people may be feeling better, but I am not sure how much. "They did what I wanted them to do" is sound reasoning.   None of us are GMs or qualified to be GMs.

Plus, in terms of plans, so many are pointing to building a great defense.  Yet, the reality is this is play 3 (give or take)

At Quarterback

Plan 1-  Trade away draft capital and sign Stafford to a contract that took up much of the team's 2025 cap space

Plan 2-  Sign Rodgers and use more cap space on a QB than they ultimately did

Plan 3-  Sign Wilson (and Winston)


In free agency

Plan 1-  Spend money upgrading the guard position (Daboll confirmed this)

Plan 2- Fail to land a guard so focus on defensive players (again Daboll confirmed)


So are we really thinking backup plans are going to turn this thing around?  I am not saying it won't.  I will say if they do, then I think it's proof that of the old saying-  Better lucky, than good 

I am a firm believer in the adage of not putting all of the eggs in one basket. Any successful organization doesn't have just one plan, especially when there are uncontrollable factors that can and will have a bearing on that plan. Having contingency/backup/alternate plans increases the chances of success.

Yes, luck (good and bad) is certainly a factor that cannot be planned for but can be accounted for in case things fall a certain way. I can't help but think that, if the rumors about the Rams wanting Dart are true, Schoen was already talking to Houston, considering how fast the trade was announced.