Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Philosophers on April 27, 2025, 12:01:04 PMI am with you.  I only like Nabers unless Hyatt starts getting opps.

Interior OL is a mess.  No confidence in JMS so an even crappier backup at center.  Unless Mbow steps in at RG and plays up, hole there.  As you said, only Runyan injury away from complete disaster plus we know Thomas will be out at some point.

I think Mbow could be an all pro at center, but just a good guard/rt.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2025, 12:26:21 PMI think Mbow could be an all pro at center, but just a good guard/rt.

J: He did put in a "bid" to be tried out at center. Let's see if he gets that chance.

One mean S.O.B. I suspect he'll draw a few flags in the NFL. And he always plays until the whistle blows.

This is unrelated, but his favorite move is to drive guys all the way out of bounds whenever possible. lol

Bob

Quote from: Stringer Bell on April 27, 2025, 09:16:57 AMThis is why my biggest complaint with the draft was not addressing this unit.

Fair point but the trade for Dart threw a monkey wrench into the plans. OL was considered one of the strengths of the draft.  One could argue that the lack of quality at some of the more premium positions pushed a lot of the linemen up team's boards.  13 OL were off the board after 2 rounds and by the time rd 3 rolled around only guys like Fairchild, Milum, Jones, Grant, etc. were left.  I can't argue with the choice of Alexander over any of them.

Time will tell whether the move for Dart was the right call. Hopefully, there will be a camp cut or two that can help in the short term on the line

Quote from: Bob In PA on April 27, 2025, 12:35:09 PMJ: He did put in a "bid" to be tried out at center. Let's see if he gets that chance.

One mean S.O.B. I suspect he'll draw a few flags in the NFL. And he always plays until the whistle blows.

This is unrelated, but his favorite move is to drive guys all the way out of bounds whenever possible. lol

Bob

I have a couple quotes for you on Mbow that should have everyone pumped.

"Marcus Mbow is a rare blend of fluidity, power, and technical mastery, redefining how offensive line play should be approached. He's not just an elite prospect—he's the future of the position."

"Marcus Mbow is undoubtedly the most dynamic, fluid, and transcendent talent I've ever watched at the offensive line position."

"Mbow isn't just another offensive line prospect—he's the embodiment of how the game is evolving. His skill set is a fusion of rare lower-body fluidity, instinctive technique, and raw power, raising both his floor and ceiling in ways few linemen can match. In today's NFL, where run schemes are becoming more dynamic and varied, Mbow isn't just a fit—he's a weapon."

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2025, 12:42:25 PMI have a couple quotes for you on Mbow that should have everyone pumped.

"Marcus Mbow is a rare blend of fluidity, power, and technical mastery, redefining how offensive line play should be approached. He's not just an elite prospect—he's the future of the position."

"Marcus Mbow is undoubtedly the most dynamic, fluid, and transcendent talent I've ever watched at the offensive line position."

"Mbow isn't just another offensive line prospect—he's the embodiment of how the game is evolving. His skill set is a fusion of rare lower-body fluidity, instinctive technique, and raw power, raising both his floor and ceiling in ways few linemen can match. In today's NFL, where run schemes are becoming more dynamic and varied, Mbow isn't just a fit—he's a weapon."

The tape I saw on his feet looked very good in his movement.   Way smoother than Neal. I'm hearing concerns about his size and the bull rush.  But he can dance much better on the edge than what we've grown accustomed too, excepting AT.

Quote from: gregf on April 27, 2025, 01:31:41 PMThe tape I saw on his feet looked very good in his movement.  Way smoother than Neal. I'm hearing concerns about his size and the bull rush.  But he can dance much better on the edge than what we've grown accustomed too, excepting AT.

greg: It's rare I get a chance to reply to you (hope all is well with you out there).

Those are valid concerns. I believe Daboll said they're starting him out at right tackle (actually, I think he just said "tackle") and then see what happens next.

That makes sense because of the concerns, but if he succeeds he's going to be a lot better at stopping smaller, quicker, shiftier, sneakier players. The trade-off will be a potential weakness in the run game to his side of the field.

Bob

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2025, 12:42:25 PMI have a couple quotes for you on Mbow that should have everyone pumped.

"Marcus Mbow is a rare blend of fluidity, power, and technical mastery, redefining how offensive line play should be approached. He's not just an elite prospect—he's the future of the position."

"Marcus Mbow is undoubtedly the most dynamic, fluid, and transcendent talent I've ever watched at the offensive line position."

"Mbow isn't just another offensive line prospect—he's the embodiment of how the game is evolving. His skill set is a fusion of rare lower-body fluidity, instinctive technique, and raw power, raising both his floor and ceiling in ways few linemen can match. In today's NFL, where run schemes are becoming more dynamic and varied, Mbow isn't just a fit—he's a weapon."

What is the source of these quotes?

Quote from: PSUBeirut on April 27, 2025, 01:48:15 PMWhat is the source of these quotes?

Scouts from the draft network on his write up.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2024/08/19/marcus-mbow-scouting-report-nfl-draft

Quote from: PSUBeirut on April 27, 2025, 01:48:15 PMWhat is the source of these quotes?

Whatever the source, such as the one just identified, it's a gross overstatement not supported by observation or sustained by a consensus of opinion. That is not to suggest that he won't or can't prove to be an asset and perhaps even with starter potential. But that is not where he's at right now despite the fanciful assertion.

I must say, however, that I much prefer that sort of enthusiasm about a Giants OLineman or any other position on the Offense than that of the usual pessimesses and members of BBWC, i.e. the Big Blue Whining Crew.

Cheers!

Quote from: Painter on April 27, 2025, 03:01:15 PMWhatever the source, such as the one just identified, it's a gross overstatement not supported by observation or sustained by a consensus of opinion. That is not to suggest that he won't or can't prove to be an asset and perhaps even with starter potential. But that is not where he's at right now despite the fanciful assertion.
Cheers!

My gut instinct when I read those particular quotes was that it was satire.  I mean, I really like Mbow and picked him in almost every mock I ran- and I think he can be a good pro.....but those quotes were completely silly to say of any mid-round OL prospect who's never seen an NFL field. 

Golston, Carter, Alexander, Holland, Adebo, Ledbetter, Dimukeje, and even Ledbetter gives us a completely fresh coat of paint on this defense on the front and back 7.

These stats are for the first 13 weeks when we had Lawrence.
We spent 38% of Snaps in cover 3 (zone) and 29% in cover 1 (man) we actually did phenomenally well in man, ranking 7th in EPA when in cover 1. It is when we were in zone that there were problems. I didn't see this mentioned enough when discussing Bowen last season. Everyone just assumed he was trash, but the Giants defensive personnel were tailored to Winks heavy Man scheme when Bowens scheme relied on Zone. Now we have guys more suited to his scheme and what he wants to do. Our primary alignment was 2-4-5 and 3-4 with Bowen wanting to get pressure with 4 guys.

How do we deploy all of these new assests? Specifically Carter, and then to a lesser extent Golston, and Alexander?

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 27, 2025, 11:40:34 AMAt their age I don't know that they are difference makers. There are a couple guys they could probably bring in on the cheap though. DJ Chark, Elijah Moore, Nelson Agholor, Tyler Boyd, or Robert Woods. Cooper only had 500 yards last season, and Allen 700 which I think was less than Slayton with backups.

I think Cooper especially had a number of strong games (including against us) while dealing with a trade and a number of nagging injuries. He is not super old quite yet and think under Dabes and with Nabers taking the #1 CB he could look pretty darn good here as a #2 to Malik.

I'm interested to see if Miller can do anything after a year of seasoning.

Have to think Grey is an absolute goner.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on April 29, 2025, 08:01:57 AMI'm interested to see if Miller can do anything after a year of seasoning.

Have to think Grey is an absolute goner.

Miller was someone who intrigued me last season.  It's going to be tough for him to make headway being fourth on the chart.  He might push Gray off the roster if they keep 4 RBs.  I wish he could push Singletary off the team (as he has been a near bust-level signing) but the team would only save a quarter of a million (against a $6 million dead money hit) if they release him.

Giants said Mbow will play ORT so now he backs up JE but hopefully Mbow starts and moves JE to RG.