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https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1924447874118504881

So a 300lb+ offensive lineman can take a running start and plow into the back of a 200lb defensive back to move the pile?
How is this protecting player safety?

Let the defense do the same thing and this all goes away in a week and a half.  The only reason it works is because the defense isn't allowed to also push tushes.  If they were this play wouldn't work nearly as often, and it would go away. 

Quote from: Gmo11 on May 19, 2025, 09:29:30 AMLet the defense do the same thing and this all goes away in a week and a half.  The only reason it works is because the defense isn't allowed to also push tushes.  If they were this play wouldn't work nearly as often, and it would go away. 

That seems fair.

It's rugby ..not football..
What happened to the whistle when a players momentum was stopped..
?? With chick refs on the boundaries that aren't aggressive enough to intercede...DEI football outcome

On the one side of the argument, you have the supporters who argue you shouldn't ban a play just because only one team can run it successfully.

On the other side, the argument is:

1) It doesn't look like a football play

2) The rule that was eliminated (in terms of pushing and pulling of players) was done so due to issues downfield with blocking.   The rule wasn't eliminated with the idea of enabling the Tush Push.  The Eagles figured out they could take advantage of the rule change years after the change was made.

3) It does increase the risk of injury.  The Giants tried the Tush Push once and ended up with an injured O-lineman (and possibly a second player, I can't remember).

4) The overall rules of football were not written with the idea that a single yard was an automatic

I don't think a player should aid the ball carrier by providing extra leverage by pushing, pulling or carrying.

I have no problem with a player pushing or pulling a fellow offensive teammate to gain an extra yard, but I do have an issue with the tush push play.

In other words, outside of the tush push play, if a RB or WR has caught or run the ball and is fighting for that extra yard, and an offensive lineman or fellow teammate helps to push or pull him so he can gain the first down, I am okay with that, as I see nothing wrong with it.

The tush push play is completely different, and personally I feel it is cheating, and should be banned from the game, but that is just my opinion.

Quote from: Gmo11 on May 19, 2025, 09:29:30 AMLet the defense do the same thing and this all goes away in a week and a half.  The only reason it works is because the defense isn't allowed to also push tushes.  If they were this play wouldn't work nearly as often, and it would go away. 

Every defense should view the play as an insult. Carl Banks and others have said that there is unseen violence that takes place in piles. What would a 300+ lbs. DL's finger do to Hurts' nostrill with a deep push and a hard twist, while a DB circles around and dives at the back of his legs? Let the players police it.

The problem as I can see is only an issue because they already banned tush pushing on special teams. So if it isn't safe on special teams per the league, how can you then ignore it on offense.

If only we had drafted JJ Pegues we could have our own 3rd play. Ole miss ran the direct snap with him on 3rd and 3 or less and never failed. We need a 300lb athletic bear to take snaps. Hopefully Skattebo is is the much smaller version of that.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 19, 2025, 11:14:32 AMI have no problem with a player pushing or pulling a fellow offensive teammate to gain an extra yard, but I do have an issue with the tush push play.

In other words, outside of the tush push play, if a RB or WR has caught or run the ball and is fighting for that extra yard, and an offensive lineman or fellow teammate helps to push or pull him so he can gain the first down, I am okay with that, as I see nothing wrong with it.

The tush push play is completely different, and personally I feel it is cheating, and should be banned from the game, but that is just my opinion.

In what way is the tush-push different?  I see it as being exactly the same.

Quote from: jimc on May 19, 2025, 11:41:13 AMIn what way is the tush-push different?  I see it as being exactly the same.

They are mutually exclusive, in the tush push play all 11 players on offense and defense are involved, so a total of 22.

On an isolated event where a rb or a wr catches a pass and is fighting for that extra yard and a fellow lineman helps him, only a few players are involved.

As far as injuries go, in both instances players can get hurt, but to me I never have and never will like the tush push


Son I'm in favor of having it banned from the game, but thats my opinion.

https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1924779517677084788

I hate the eagles too, but the whole thing is ridiculous. The play is an anomaly in NFL history. Nobody else can do it effectively. I don't like the play, I think pushing a ballcarrier from behind is dangerous.

It's just like when some odd anomaly or crime happens in real life, then they get to "stand up" and make a new law that just makes everything worse or is overly punitive. I just hate that stuff, it's a knee jerk reaction that eventually hurts in the long run. If you had a time machine in the late 80's and went to 2024 and watched NFL football it would be laughable, like a wimpy video game on easy mode. People are outraged at low scoring games now, but thats what football is. Who can impose their will on another man. Not 5 reciever sets with interference calls for barely touching a guy on 3rd and 14. It's pretty terrible for older fans, but they don't care about us, they want new fans from different countries now.

Quote from: Crypto Fareez on May 20, 2025, 10:39:54 AMI hate the eagles too, but the whole thing is ridiculous. The play is an anomaly in NFL history. Nobody else can do it effectively. I don't like the play, I think pushing a ballcarrier from behind is dangerous.

It's just like when some odd anomaly or crime happens in real life, then they get to "stand up" and make a new law that just makes everything worse or is overly punitive. I just hate that stuff, it's a knee jerk reaction that eventually hurts in the long run. If you had a time machine in the late 80's and went to 2024 and watched NFL football it would be laughable, like a wimpy video game on easy mode. People are outraged at low scoring games now, but thats what football is. Who can impose their will on another man. Not 5 reciever sets with interference calls for barely touching a guy on 3rd and 14. It's pretty terrible for older fans, but they don't care about us, they want new fans from different countries now.

In fairness, for most of the league's history, the play was illegal.   Prior to 2005, it was illegal to push or pull a teammate.