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Last season he had a shocking 93 catches. Why didn't we hear anything about it? Because those 93 catches were for only 699 yards.

On 140 attempts.

The most useless 90+ catch season in NFL history?

Some will say it's because our QB wasn't willing to throw the ball more than 6 air yards a lot of the time. While that claim is not entirely without merit, Malik Nabers averaged 11 yards per reception on the same team.

I think Wan'Dale is a respectable NFL player, and with better QB play he could deliver his best season this year, but I don't think he'll ever be anything remotely approaching a star.

93/140 isn't really abnormal. But that yardage is hilarious. I have no clue what we are doing with him or how they are optimizing him. I don't know anyone who didn't hate the pick at the time. He is a good football player. I just don't know if we even need him, as his contract is expiring next offseason. He's awesome if you don't have to force him the ball or use him constantly. Like if you had a stacked offense, he would be dynamite. But with our setup its kinda meh

Wandale is a year removed from being named one of the top 6 triple threat Wrs in the league, leading the group in contested catch rate and open target rate. Yes, I think Jones and the other backups that we trotted out there was a huge issue as they were all scared to throw deep balls. Especially Jones who refused to go beyond 6 yards. Another huge  thing to factor in that isn't being discussed enough is that our Qbs never lead their receivers to get YAC, they didn't do it with Nabers, Wandale, or any of them to let them thrive. Just to remind everyone, when an actual qb started for the Giants in Tyrod, Robinsons Yard per reception jumped up to 17, 9.8, and 22 in those games. It's amazing he's popping off these huge receptions with Tyrod but doesn't with Jones and Devito. He's thr triple threat the guy talked about, and a yac monster the guy averaged 12.8 per reception on a 100+ catches at Kentucky.

Just my opinion but the Qb was the problem, not Robinson. Don't be surprised if he explodes this season. In the same way I doubt that Slayton will be running wide open in multiple games this season like last season with an actual Qb to take advantage of it.


https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-top-triple-threat-receivers-amon-ra-st-brown-puka-nacua

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 19, 2025, 09:19:13 PMWandale is a year removed from being named one of the top 6 triple threat Wrs in the league, leading the group in contested catch rate and open target rate. Yes, I think Jones and the other backups that we trotted out there was a huge issue as they were all scared to throw deep balls. Especially Jones who refused to go beyond 6 yards. Another huge  thing to factor in that isn't being discussed enough is that our Qbs never lead their receivers to get YAC, they didn't do it with Nabers, Wandale, or any of them to let them thrive. Just to remind everyone, when an actual qb started for the Giants in Tyrod, Robinsons Yard per reception jumped up to 17, 9.8, and 22 in those games. It's amazing he's popping off these huge receptions with Tyrod but doesn't with Jones and Devito. He's thr triple threat the guy talked about, and a yac monster the guy averaged 12.8 per reception on a 100+ catches at Kentucky.

Just my opinion but the Qb was the problem, not Robinson. Don't be surprised if he explodes this season. In the same way I doubt that Slayton will be running wide open in multiple games this season like last season with an actual Qb to take advantage of it.


https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-top-triple-threat-receivers-amon-ra-st-brown-puka-nacua

If you look at any scouting report on Robinson coming out of Kentucky, one of the big things that stood out was his deep threat ability out of the slot. I guarantee that is one of the things that intrigued Schoen and Daboll the most about him. They saw a unique player that can be used in creative ways. Unfortunately, when you have no downfield threat, a guy like Wan'dale just becomes nothing more than a checkdown target.

Watching his offseason practices and conditioning, I sense Vondale will have a breakout year this season.

5 yards per target.
He's become checkdown, comeback and Flat. His YAC is low as a product of his routes.

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 19, 2025, 10:23:39 PM5 yards per target.
He's become checkdown, comeback and Flat. His YAC is low as a product of his routes.

I think Ed nailed it.  Why is he running 5 yard routes?  Because the coaching is designing those routes and the QB is throwing to him.  I have said this ad nauseum but routes that come up short of first down markers are almost useless.  Get the WRs to run at least to the markers.  The constant routes of run 3 yards and cut should be burned out of this playbook.

I thought he was a surprise pick and hoped he be used more creatively. Basically ..he catches short gains and  goes down. Not enamored with him or his use.

Nabers needs a dual threat to assist the passing game. Just not an impressive wr room IMHO.

His YAC isn't that far off of Nabors but but both are two yards YAC per reception off of league leader Chase. Part of it has to do with the type of route and part of it is on the QB for not leading the receiver with anticipation, and the rest is on the receiver and his separation.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/stat/receiving/table/receiving/sort/receivingYardsAfterCatch/dir/desc

Quote from: AYM on May 19, 2025, 08:42:15 PMLast season he had a shocking 93 catches. Why didn't we hear anything about it? Because those 93 catches were for only 699 yards.

On 140 attempts.

The most useless 90+ catch season in NFL history?

His yardage likely was hindered by QBs not placing the ball for optimum YAC and the reality that teams were crowding the LOS because this team (between line play and QB play) didn't make defending the deep part of the field a priority.

Let's see what he does with the new QBs, however that shakes out.

Danny and Co are no longer around to throw the small passes and checkdowns. Wandale and Slayton are better than their stats. Possibly even the TEs and Hyatt, QB play has been abysmal.

Personally, I thinkd Wan'dale is a good WR, and a weapon to be used on this team. He makes our team better and can definitely be a complement to Nabers. He is someone that we need and to build upon, but once again this is just my opinion.

Quote from: Philosophers on May 19, 2025, 11:51:11 PMI think Ed nailed it.  Why is he running 5 yard routes?  Because the coaching is designing those routes and the QB is throwing to him.  I have said this ad nauseum but routes that come up short of first down markers are almost useless.  Get the WRs to run at least to the markers.  The constant routes of run 3 yards and cut should be burned out of this playbook.

The issue with the run to the sticks argument is that the other team knows where the sticks are too. And if teams don't fear you going over the top of them, they have no reason to do anything on 3rd and 7 then defend the 7 yard pass so you have to run shorter routes in hopes of creating enough space to make a guy miss and get the first.

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 19, 2025, 10:23:39 PM5 yards per target.
He's become checkdown, comeback and Flat. His YAC is low as a product of his routes.

Ed: Yes, Robinson is one of the few players we have who I believe is not being asked to do what he does best and on a different team he could be a star. I notice occasionally others here talk like he has been a disappointment. To me, it is the coaching staff that has been a disappointment. Bob