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Quote from: MightyGiants on December 01, 2022, 11:21:53 AM@Slugsy-Narrows

I am not sure what question you asked that I didn't address.  I know you just asked what my point was.  You raised the issue of the rights of the minority shouldn't trump the rights of the majority.  So I showed you that the majority of the nation wants stricter gun laws.

Also, I keep hearing the claim that it's illegal guns.  Well, here is a stat of the legality of the weapons used in mass shootings, I think it's safe to say it's not the illegal weapons that are the issue

<a href="https://www.statista.com/statistics/476461/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-legality-of-shooters-weapons/" rel="nofollow"></a>

Find more statistics at  <a href="https://www.statista.com" rel="nofollow">Statista</a>


I will also play the if I were king game.  If I were king, owning a gun would be on par with owning and using an automobile.  You would need to get licensed, you would need insurance (who would regulate owners to keep their guns secure and used properly), and you could lose your license if you don't use your firearms in a safe, legal manner.

Feel free to reread my posts then


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Here is an outstanding article from a Yale Law professor that was published in the Harvard Law Review.  Turns out this deliberate misinterpretation of the 2nd amendment is a relatively recent phenomenon that started in the 1980s.


https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/documents/pdf/Faculty/Siegel_DeadOrAliveOriginalismAsPopularConstitutionalismInHeller.pdf

Of course, those actions have had dire consequences.

Study: U.S. gun death rates hit highest levels in decades

https://apnews.com/article/gun-violence-science-health-covid-mental-20f5e2cb5fb50ff747fe316fdc4db5c4

Yet the Supreme Court keeps upholding gun rights and knocking down laws made by anti gun politicians and a violation of the 2A.

So am I to take the writing of more then likely an anti gun professor or the ruling from MULTIPLE Supreme Court justices.

Still also wondering why multiple people including a police officer have responded to this thread, made statements and asked question and still one person here rather then address them and maybe have to admit something they don't want to avoids and keeps throwing out info to try and support their own agenda rather then address the questions and discuss them as we have done I  kind.

Before you ask what questions - read the thread again it's right there.

Here is another one

If every life matters, and we have to ban guns cause if it saves even one life and that sacrifice is worth it, does that mean that you also denounce abortion?  Cause if all life matters then abortion should be outlaws as even 1 life matters.

If you can't admit to that then your argument that even one life matters is flawed.

And before anyone asked I am pro choice so let's not jump on this for anything more then figuring out if all lives matter and even saving 1 is worth going to the extreme for


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Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 02, 2022, 08:33:47 AMYet the Supreme Court keeps upholding gun rights and knocking down laws made by anti gun politicians and a violation of the 2A.

So am I to take the writing of more then likely an anti gun professor or the ruling from MULTIPLE Supreme Court justices.

Still also wondering why multiple people including a police officer have responded to this thread, made statements and asked question and still one person here rather then address them and maybe have to admit something they don't want to avoids and keeps throwing out info to try and support their own agenda rather then address the questions and discuss them as we have done I  kind.

Before you ask what questions - read the thread again it's right there.

Here is another one

If every life matters, and we have to ban guns cause if it saves even one life and that sacrifice is worth it, does that mean that you also denounce abortion?  Cause if all life matters then abortion should be outlaws as even 1 life matters.

If you can't admit to that then your argument that even one life matters is flawed.

And before anyone asked I am pro choice so let's not jump on this for anything more then figuring out if all lives matter and even saving 1 is worth going to the extreme for


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Did you read the article that I posted?  If so, please explain the flaw in the points that were raised. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 02, 2022, 08:47:22 AMDid you read the article that I posted?  If so, please explain the flaw in the points that were raised.

I've responded to all your questions in kind

When you match the same courtesy to myself and others here I will consider further explanations


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Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 02, 2022, 08:53:02 AMI've responded to all your questions in kind

When you match the same courtesy to myself and others here I will consider further explanations


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So you think people who don't agree with you should be educated because it might change your mind.   Yet when you have a chance to read about the legal history of the second amendment that was written by a Yale professor and published in the Harvard review, you refuse because you think it will tell you stuff that doesn't match your existing beliefs.  Worse, you go on to attack the paper you didn't even read.

This strikes at the heart of the problem.   Therefore is no effort to learn or fully understand an issue.   There is no willingness to listen to the other side or try to understand them.    There is a refusal to learn all the facts and to verify what you learn.

I understand and even sympathize with the pro-gun people.   I think they have some valid points.   I don't want to confiscate all guns.  I do want more restrictions though.    I firmly disagree with the corrupted Supreme Court and their rulings to make weapons more available to criminals, the mentally ill, and terrorists.   Those concerns are clearly not unfounded,just listen to the news every day.  I feel like not only doesn't your side listen, but you won't take accountability for all the deaths your laws and policies are clearly causing.

Sorry if this is overly harsh, but mass shootings should be a once in a decade event (or better yet,longer) but instead it's become a weekly event.  I care too much about my country and the people being killed and maimed to go along with more guns for more people position.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-2/

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-14/

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 02, 2022, 09:16:18 AMSo you think people who don't agree with you should be educated because it might change your mind.   Yet when you have a chance to read about the legal history of the second amendment that was written by a Yale professor and published in the Harvard review, you refuse because you think it will tell you stuff that doesn't match your existing beliefs.  Worse, you go on to attack the paper you didn't even read.

This strikes at the heart of the problem.   Therefore is no effort to learn or fully understand an issue.   There is no willingness to listen to the other side or try to understand them.    There is a refusal to learn all the facts and to verify what you learn.

I understand and even sympathize with the pro-gun people.   I think they have some valid points.   I don't want to confiscate all guns.  I do want more restrictions though.    I firmly disagree with the corrupted Supreme Court and their rulings to make weapons more available to criminals, the mentally ill, and terrorists.   Those concerns are clearly not unfounded,just listen to the news every day.  I feel like not only doesn't your side listen, but you won't take accountability for all the deaths your laws and policies are clearly causing.

Sorry if this is overly harsh, but mass shootings should be a once in a decade event (or better yet,longer) but instead it's become a weekly event.  I care too much about my country and the people being killed and maimed to go along with more guns for more people position.

You are making an assumption I haven't read it or won't.

What happens when you assume????

I'm still waiting for your response to everyone here who took the time to answer you but you have cherry picked your response!

My guess is because you haven't yet researched and found an argument to support your belief and agenda or cause you have no answer, or by responding it contradicts what you have stated.

So which is it?

Again have the courtesy to respond to those you responded to you and stop cherry picking your arguments.

I'd love yo hear your response to all lives matter even if it's just one I posed.  And I'd you aren't sure which one I'm referring to again reread the posts, it's all there for you to respond to all.

As for a refusal to learn and think of something other then your entrenched belief name one thing we have discussed here that opened your eyes and make you question what you believe?  If you want to talk about close minded and issues with people not willing to open their minds you are the pot calling the kettle black then.

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Quote from: Ed Vette on December 02, 2022, 10:24:04 AMhttps://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-2/

Great find Ed!  Thanks for posting.


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Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 02, 2022, 11:24:15 AMGreat find Ed!  Thanks for posting.


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Just the facts Jack.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 02, 2022, 02:38:35 PMJust the facts Jack.

Some people can't handle the truth - doesn't fold up nice and neat to fit within their agenda!


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Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 02, 2022, 04:56:42 PMSome people can't handle the truth - doesn't fold up nice and neat to fit within their agenda!


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Instead of listening to people you don't agree with and try to understand their point of view, you demonize them.   

Paul, do you honestly believe such an approach is good for our country? 

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 02, 2022, 05:02:47 PMInstead of listening to people you don't agree with and try to understand their point of view, you demonize them.   

Paul, do you honestly believe such an approach is good for our country?

I have demonized no one, nice try trying to play victim once again.

Are you ever going to answer the various replies and questions that have been sent you way on this topic?

As for opposing view I have zero issue discussing it with people.  As long as they are willing to have an open mind and not shoe horn and cherry pick their responses (as you do and have done)

Just had a similar convo with a coworker today that thought an AR meant Assault Rifle.

After our discussion and showing her pictures and explaining it to her and the different reasons you may want to or need to own such a weapon her response was I didn't know that, it's was never explained like that to me.  I see where you are coming from and although I would never own one, still don't believe it's needed, I can understand your point of view though.

There is a difference!




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Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 02, 2022, 05:37:51 PMI have demonized no one, nice try trying to play victim once again.

I am willing to extend you the benefit of the doubt, Paul.  Please explain how these two statements furthered our conversation about guns in America.

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 02, 2022, 04:56:42 PMSome people can't handle the truth - doesn't fold up nice and neat to fit within their agenda!

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 01, 2022, 06:36:26 PMWell said Jimmyz.

It's also interesting that even one life we save matters, yet that same logic isn't applied to everything.  Only what fits their beliefs.

I mean, most people are coming to the table with their thoughts on the issue, or facts and figures, was respectful discourse with others on the thread, or a link to something that adds perspective to the discussion.  What was the purpose of those two posts, if not to demonize?