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Giants' Tyrod Taylor impressed by how Daniel Jones has delivered in 'those got-to-have-it moments'

https://www.nj.com/giants/2022/12/giants-tyrod-taylor-impressed-by-how-daniel-jones-has-delivered-in-those-got-to-have-it-moments.html

https://www.nj.com/giants/2022/12/giants-passing-offense-has-picked-up-with-daniel-jones-throwing-to-unlikely-receiving-trio.html

Giants' passing offense has picked up with Daniel Jones throwing to unlikely receiving trio

I was listening to WFAN today and the fill in host (forget his name) had some interesting insight.

He believes Jones should, will and deserves to be resigned and fits the system. But the BIG negative he had and he explained in detail was the "it" factor of leadership is lacking.

Does he show enough true emotion on the sideline or in the huddle that a QB needs to do?....think Brady, Rogers, Burrow, they even pointed out Mike White has the natural leadership style and it pops on screen.

Before you all go crazy and start attacking me here, I'd like you to think about the one or two singular moments this year where Jones showed the "it" factor I am speaking of....and when you think of those moments, ask yourself if you LIKED what you saw??....and then ask yourself "are you seeing "it" enough?".....and if not, why?...and what should that tell us?

For me there were 2 moments that I enjoyed the "it" factor this year:

1. When Jones was in the face of his receiver on the sideline (and unfortunately felt he had to apologize afterwards)...no Daniel you do not. We liked that.

2. After Daboll got in his face on the sideline during a game (I forget which one), Jones took it in stride and he responded positively and was much more vocal.

The point is - Jones has done some good things but is he showing enough of the "it" factor?

Quote from: Trench on December 29, 2022, 04:58:07 PMI was listening to WFAN today and the fill in host (forget his name) had some interesting insight.

He believes Jones should, will and deserves to be resigned and fits the system. But the BIG negative he had and he explained in detail was the "it" factor of leadership is lacking.

Does he show enough true emotion on the sideline or in the huddle that a QB needs to do?....think Brady, Rogers, Burrow, they even pointed out Mike White has the natural leadership style and it pops on screen.

Before you all go crazy and start attacking me here, I'd like you to think about the one or two singular moments this year where Jones showed the "it" factor I am speaking of....and when you think of those moments, ask yourself if you LIKED what you saw??....and then ask yourself "are you seeing "it" enough?".....and if not, why?...and what should that tell us?

For me there were 2 moments that I enjoyed the "it" factor this year:

1. When Jones was in the face of his receiver on the sideline (and unfortunately felt he had to apologize afterwards)...no Daniel you do not. We liked that.

2. After Daboll got in his face on the sideline during a game (I forget which one), Jones took it in stride and he responded positively and was much more vocal.

The point is - Jones has done some good things but is he showing enough of the "it" factor?

I am reminded of Eli Manning.   Before he won two Super Bowls similar things were said about him.  Then after the first SB victory, it went from a bad thing to "EZ Eli" the unflappable.

I am not comparing Jones to Eli as Eli is near HOF.   I am saying that it van be hard to discern leadership from what you see on TV.

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 29, 2022, 05:14:59 PMI am reminded of Eli Manning.   Before he won two Super Bowls similar things were said about him.  Then after the first SB victory, it went from a bad thing to "EZ Eli" the unflappable.

I am not comparing Jones to Eli as Eli is near HOF.   I am saying that it van be hard to discern leadership from what you see on TV.

So does that mean you are of the opinion Jones has shown enough of the "it" factor to offer him a major contract extension?

Quote from: Trench on December 29, 2022, 05:19:53 PMSo does that mean you are of the opinion Jones has shown enough of the "it" factor to offer him a major contract extension?

I think the IT factor is something that can be observed by the team (HC and GM).  I am not sure how much we can discern by watching the games on TV.  As an aside, I have never heard anyone connected to the team hint that DJ isn't a fine leader. 

To directly answer your question, I don't know (for the reasons I just gave). 

Some ppl believe you need to be loud and outgoing to be a leader!

It's not the case.

If you listen to his fellow players talk he has their respect!  He leads by example.  He takes the blame and doesn't deflect to anyone else.

He talks to his players on the sideline.

These are all leadership qualities.

Just cause we don't see him yelling on the field and jawing at players like Rodgers would doesn't mean he is missing the IT factor  it just means he doesn't look like an as$ like Rodgers does when he does it.

In todays world DJs approach is probably more leadership quality then the overly outward types

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 29, 2022, 05:25:56 PMI think the IT factor is something that can be observed by the team (HC and GM).  I am not sure how much we can discern by watching the games on TV.  As an aside, I have never heard anyone connected to the team hint that DJ isn't a fine leader. 

To directly answer your question, I don't know (for the reasons I just gave). 

Thank you. It appears to me you are in the same camp as me - unsure yet.

If he checks a few more boxes I'm in for a 2 year deal (if he doesn't get greedy) because if he does then he isn't the person I thought he was and he can be sent packing on the first flight out. Leaders lead. Part of that is taking less of a piece for yourself so that others can also engage

I still need to see:

1. Finish string and remain heathy
2. Show us a confident scoring 2 minute drive before halftime
3. Show the emotion that everyone enjoyed
4. Win and get us to the playoffs and let us see u let loose!
5. Win (or out a scare) into someone in the playoff game

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 29, 2022, 05:31:30 PMSome ppl believe you need to be loud and outgoing to be a leader!

It's not the case.

If you listen to his fellow players talk he has their respect!  He leads by example.  He takes the blame and doesn't deflect to anyone else.

He talks to his players on the sideline.

These are all leadership qualities.

Just cause we don't see him yelling on the field and jawing at players like Rodgers would doesn't mean he is missing the IT factor  it just means he doesn't look like an as$ like Rodgers does when he does it.

In todays world DJs approach is probably more leadership quality then the overly outward types

Good points.

I also don't need to see him yell but I wanna see some more. Hold players accountable - go speak to them on sidelines. I don't see enough of that.

Quote from: Trench on December 29, 2022, 05:36:43 PMGood points.

I also don't need to see him yell but I wanna see some more. Hold players accountable - go speak to them on sidelines. I don't see enough of that.

Trench

In all fairness when DJ goes to the sidelines what do we see?  Unless we have front row behind the giants bench we only see a snap shot in time of what goes on.

If he wasn't a leader and players didn't have his respect think Rosen! 

It took his teammates and the team no time at all to let leak out he was't it.

You don't hear that about DJ.

He has his warts.  Lack of leadership I don't think it one.

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 29, 2022, 05:40:25 PMTrench

In all fairness when DJ goes to the sidelines what do we see?  Unless we have front row behind the giants bench we only see a snap shot in time of what goes on.

If he wasn't a leader and players didn't have his respect think Rosen! 

It took his teammates and the team no time at all to let leak out he was't it.

You don't hear that about DJ.

He has his warts.  Lack of leadership I don't think it one.

Some good points I will dwell on. Some I am not there yet. Many forms of leadership. It's an emotional game and sometimes his posture can elevate others - I sincerely believe this is an area he hasn't grasped yet. When he got emotional this town and particularly this forum was electrified. Disagree or not but when Jones shows emotion, the fans and players DO respond positively is all I'm saying

Quote from: Trench on December 29, 2022, 05:45:01 PMSome good points I will dwell on. Some I am not there yet. Many forms of leadership. It's an emotional game and sometimes his posture can elevate others - I sincerely believe this is an area he hasn't grasped yet. When he got emotional this town and particularly this forum was electrified. Disagree or not but when Jones shows emotion, the fans and players DO respond positively is all I'm saying

Most of us are NY/NJ north east people!

We get juiced up easily!  We live in a fast paced high energy section of the country.

I fly all over the US for work.  Outside of the North East people think I'm flipping nuts with how loud I talk, how I talk with my hands, and the sense of urgency I train and work with.  It's a north east thing!

So of course we thrive on that.

Lastly......... he is way more emotional on the field then Eli was and Eli was a leader and had the IT.

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 29, 2022, 05:49:18 PMMost of us are NY/NJ north east people!

We get juiced up easily!  We live in a fast paced high energy section of the country.

I fly all over the US for work.  Outside of the North East people think I'm flipping nuts with how loud I talk, how I talk with my hands, and the sense of urgency I train and work with.  It's a north east thing!

So of course we thrive on that.

Lastly......... he is way more emotional on the field then Eli was and Eli was a leader and had the IT.

I think Eli was more emotional on the field for sure

Quote from: Trench on December 29, 2022, 05:56:49 PMI think Eli was more emotional on the field for sure

I'd say then go watch some old games: 

Eli would throw a TD and raise his hands and walk off the field.

Jones runs and congratulates his player.

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 29, 2022, 06:00:17 PMI'd say then go watch some old games: 

Eli would throw a TD and raise his hands and walk off the field.

Jones runs and congratulates his player.

Don't need to go watch. I have. I totally disagree Eli didn't run and congratulate players. You are wrong on that!

What I saw Eli do is a lot of back n forth on sidelines. Most of the still shots of Jones are him sitting by himself or watching an iPad