Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Blue Fire on January 04, 2023, 10:29:26 PMCoaching, coaching, coaching.

I wouldn't say it's all coaching. The players have done an excellent job with execution in the red zone. They deserve the lion's share of the credit.

I posted this article as it's own thread but there is some DJ specific points in here.

https://www.bigblueview.com/2023/1/3/23536296/how-did-the-giants-engineer-surprising-turnaround-brian-daboll-joe-schoen-daniel-jones

......... Daboll on Monday told a great story about building both his relationship with quarterback Daniel Jones — and the Giants' offense — that illustrates the point.

"I spent a lot of time with Daniel to try to get to know him and him to know me," Daboll said. "He'd come over to the house, and I just remember at the end of training camp, we're sitting there. And I'm outside by the pool smoking a cigar, and the whole table has about three years' worth of different playbooks as we're going through training camp. I'm saying, 'Tell me if you like any of these.' You're making sure that 'You know what, this guy cares about what I think. He cares how I see the game.' I think that's important for a quarterback."

I know it's been mentioned, I've said it, but this story emphasizes it.  This playbook was created specifically for DJ.

Nothing has been as important as the work the Giants have done with Jones.
Jones' first three seasons with the Giants were a disaster. There were glimpses of raw ability, but Jones never came close to justifying the No. 6 overall pick Dave Gettleman used on him in 2019.

After what I have seen and read the last few weeks I think the ONLY THING that stops the Giants from signing DJ to a contract is if they can't agree on time and money!  Otherwise he will be back in blue next year.

Dabs seems sold on him to be his guy!  Or this is the biggest fake out ever!

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on January 05, 2023, 07:57:50 AMDabs seems sold on him to be his guy!  Or this is the biggest fake out ever!

I haven't heard him or Schoen say it recently: "He's doing/done everything we've asked him to do."

To me, that's the kiss of death!      As long as I don't hear that about Jones, I'm confident he'll be back!

Quote from: T200 on January 05, 2023, 08:08:28 AMI haven't heard him or Schoen say it recently: "He's doing/done everything we've asked him to do."

To me, that's the kiss of death!      As long as I don't hear that about Jones, I'm confident he'll be back!

LOL agreed when I hear that phrase it makes me cringe!!!!

All we hear from Dabs is love and admiration.  Not directly at/to the media, but on the sidelines, on video, caught in the heat of the moment when the two talk. 

Quote from: T200 on January 04, 2023, 11:07:36 PMI wouldn't say it's all coaching. The players have done an excellent job with execution in the red zone. They deserve the lion's share of the credit.

Coaching ultimately puts the players in best position to succeed. So yes while the players are doing it the coaches have put them in the proper position to shine.

THE HERD | Greg Cosell tells Colin: Daniel Jones is the best
QB that can win NFC under Brian Daboll

https://youtu.be/DbUO3-SdTOY

Cosell: Daboll comfortable with Jones throwing 45 times....By the way with a Very average core of WRs behind a revolving door offensive line

Quote from: Blue Fire on January 05, 2023, 03:31:32 PMTHE HERD | Greg Cosell tells Colin: Daniel Jones is the best
QB that can win NFC under Brian Daboll

https://youtu.be/DbUO3-SdTOY

Cosell: Daboll comfortable with Jones throwing 45 times....By the way with a Very average core of WRs behind a revolving door offensive line

A) No one said anything about Jones being the best Qb or that he could win the NFC in that video.

B) The last part you put under the video is out of context. He was saying that Daboll felt comfortable with Jones throwing it 45 times in the Vikings game, what does the Vikings team have that give context to the quote? The worst passing defense In the league, he even started it by saying "In the Vikings game Daboll was comfortable" and you left it out.

You know better than this by now its frankly absurd that everything you post has to be triple checked for accuracy instead of just being consumed for learning.

Why wouldn't you just put Cosell talks to Colin Cowherd about Daniel Jones.

Quote from: Blue Fire on January 05, 2023, 04:54:22 PMJClay writing something contradictory against anything positive published on Daniel Jones. Thats a surprise!

Still sticking to the quickly fading narrative. Let's see... Not ready to acknowledge anything good about #8 or our playoff run...still rebuilding.... Not going to spend money this offseason...gotcha.

Blue - everyone to a man has given Jones the props he deserves. In fact the "not sure" camp (me) have consistently hoped he would become the guy. That may be happening before our eyes. Sometimes it only takes a game or a situation to teach an athlete how to "slow it down" and I hope we are witnessing that.

However, please consider refraining from posting something that wasn't actually said as fact. It doesn't help.

Quote from: Trench on January 05, 2023, 05:14:40 PMBlue - everyone to a man has given Jones the props he deserves. In fact the "not sure" camp (me) have consistently hoped he would become the guy. That may be happening before our eyes. Sometimes it only takes a game or a situation to teach an athlete how to "slow it down" and I hope we are witnessing that.

However, please consider refraining from posting something that wasn't actually said as fact. It doesn't help.

Yes Trench I applaud you coming around on Jones in lieu of the quite obvious things we see on the field now. At least you are fully acknowledging them! Thats great it really is. However everyone to a man is certainly not the case. There are folks whether in this forum or in the general fandom populace that still have this unhealthy dislike for #8 which at this point cant even be based remotely on what you are seeing on the field anymore.

As for the title...Once again I posted the title of the video itself. Not my title. If you have a problem with it take it up with the youtube channel. 

Quote from: Blue Fire on January 05, 2023, 05:24:02 PMAs for the title...Once again I posted the title of the video itself. Not my title. If you have a problem with it take it up with the youtube channel. 

Perpetuating a false narrative and/or attacking those who expose said falsehoods are the same as initiating it.

Quote from: Blue Fire on January 05, 2023, 05:24:02 PMYes Trench I applaud you coming around on Jones in lieu of the quite obvious things we see on the field now. At least you are fully acknowledging them! Thats great it really is. However everyone to a man is certainly not the case. There are folks whether in this forum or in the general fandom populace that still have this unhealthy dislike for #8 which at this point cant even be based remotely on what you are seeing on the field anymore.

As for the title...Once again I posted the title of the video itself. Not my title. If you have a problem with it take it up with the youtube channel. 

Fair enough BF....but as far as the..."folks who have a dislike for #8" stuff - isn't that ok???....why keep pushing?....and saying to "open your eyes first" is a personal attack and our leaders on this board have stated personal attacks will not tolerated. Let's enjoy this January football.

Quote from: Blue Fire on January 05, 2023, 05:24:02 PMYes Trench I applaud you coming around on Jones in lieu of the quite obvious things we see on the field now. At least you are fully acknowledging them! Thats great it really is. However everyone to a man is certainly not the case. There are folks whether in this forum or in the general fandom populace that still have this unhealthy dislike for #8 which at this point cant even be based remotely on what you are seeing on the field anymore.

As for the title...Once again I posted the title of the video itself. Not my title. If you have a problem with it take it up with the youtube channel. 

DJ has developed into the QB most predicted and hoped for; to that point, to continue to perpetuate the notion there's an unlike for DJ is another fabrication.  Speaking for myself (maybe DaveBrown), I've always liked DJ and believed he was better than average (12 to 18). HOWEVER, in the modern era, it's difficult as hell to win a SB without a top 10 QB. So, despite my like and acknowledgement he's better than average, I still wanted to roll the dice for a tier-1 QB.  I don't want the Giants to become SF, Minn, LV, or Tenn...teams with a very good/Pro Bowl QBs who can never beat teams with Tier 1 QBs. As acknowledged weeks ago, given the Giants relative draft position, I recognize that's unlikely to happen, which is why I'm in favor of franchising DJ.  DJ can lead above average teams; however, can he lead a SB team in the modern era?  This season has not altered my thinking concerning the latter as it's less about DJ and more about the current NFL paradigm; concerning the latter, you need to be a prolific passer to win SBs.  For context, I feel the same about Jared Goff, who had more yards, more TDs, better QBR, and better RTG than DJ. Despite his impressive year, I don't believe he's capable of beating a Patrick Mahomes led team in a SB.  Where we differ is you think DJ is a WR away from being a Tier 1 QB.  I completely disagree. 

Yards    #15
TDs    #15
RTG      #13
QBR      #9
PFF      #12

Put these numbers together, and he's exactly what most of said he could be, with a better Oline and healthy Barkley.  For your edification, here's my current QB rankings

Tier 1
Mahomes
Herbert
Burrow
Hurts (the last two games should prove Hurts is top 5)
Allen

Tier 2
Jackson
Stafford (off year due to injury and personal issues...only played 9 Games)
Tagovailoa

Tier 3
Cousins
Smith (one good year)
Goff (Goff's had an objectively and subjectively better season than DJ)
DJ
Lawrence (he's moving up fast and could be tier 1 next season)
Prescott
Carr
Tannehill
Fields (he has least assets than any QB in the league)
Garopplo

Note: Brady, Wilson and Rodgers are clearly on their back-9s.  I would take DJ over all three at this point in their careers.

Quote from: Trench on January 05, 2023, 06:26:39 PMFair enough BF....but as far as the..."folks who have a dislike for #8" stuff - isn't that ok???....why keep pushing?....and saying to "open your eyes first" is a personal attack and our leaders on this board have stated personal attacks will not tolerated. Let's enjoy this January football.

Trench...fair enough... I'm done with the retorts but keep in mind 9 times out of 10 Im just responding to someone else initiating.

@kingm56

If all you are looking for is a top-10 QB, it appears Daniel Jones is your man.   Considering DJ is in (along with all his teammates)  a first-year system.   PFF has the Giants ranked 18th in pass protection and 27th in receiving.  Yet despite these handicaps, DJ is currently.

QBR- 9

QB rating- 13

PFF- 14th (50% snaps)

On top of that, he has led his team to the playoffs. 

With all of that, I have a hard time not seeing how he won't be top 10 next season. (assuming the Giants add some talent)

The Making of New York Giants QB Daniel Jones

Tyler Dunne of GoLong joins today's show to discuss Giants quarterback Daniel Jones, and how head coach Brian Daboll has helped get him on track. Plus we look at Jones's potential future with the Giants, and more.