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Quote from: MightyGiants on January 05, 2023, 07:24:00 PM@kingm56

If all you are looking for is a top-10 QB, it appears Daniel Jones is your man.  Considering DJ is in (along with all his teammates) are in a first-year system.  PFF has the Giants ranked 18th in pass protection and 27th in receiving.  Yet despite these handicaps, DJ is currently.

QBR- 9

QB rating- 13

PFF- 14th (50% snaps)

On top of that, he has led his team to the playoffs. 

With all of that, I have a hard time not seeing how he won't be top 10 next season. (assuming the Giants add some talent)

This, along with what I've seen from Daboll in raw footage and teammates coupled with Jones play of late is definitely encouraging.

I still need to see a few boxes checked to be sure (the main being a 2 minute drill to win a huge game) and I also wanna judge for myself his whole persona in that situation. Last week was a bit of a turning point in my eyes as he seems to slowed it down (especially on the scramble where instead of running he threw for the TD)...earlier in the year he would've ran and got tackled or thrown it away - but his feel is getting better. Something is beginning to click. We still see some ill advised passes but it's to be expected. If he uses Bellinger more over the middle (and also maybe Brightwell) we may see some very extended drives. I'm anxious to see Daniel in the big game. It will tell me a lot.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 05, 2023, 07:24:00 PM@kingm56

If all you are looking for is a top-10 QB, it appears Daniel Jones is your man.   Considering DJ is in (along with all his teammates)  a first-year system.   PFF has the Giants ranked 18th in pass protection and 27th in receiving.  Yet despite these handicaps, DJ is currently.

QBR- 9

QB rating- 13

PFF- 14th (50% snaps)

On top of that, he has led his team to the playoffs. 

With all of that, I have a hard time not seeing how he won't be top 10 next season. (assuming the Giants add some talent)

Hey @MightyGiants

Those numbers average to 12, exactly where we thought he could be.  I listed the QBs I thought were better than DJ.  He falls just outside the top 10.  I would also like to see DJ repeat this year's performance and increase his objective stats, which are still in the bottom 1/2 of the league. I continue to advocate for the franchise tag. 

Jan 5, 2023
Max Kellerman puts Daniel Jones in Tier 3️⃣ of NFL QBs 🤨 | KJM
Max Kellerman explains why he has been impressed with New York Giants QB Daniel Jones.
#ESPN #NFL

Quote from: Trench on January 05, 2023, 07:44:14 PMThis, along with what I've seen from Daboll in raw footage and teammates coupled with Jones play of late is definitely encouraging.

I still need to see a few boxes checked to be sure (the main being a 2 minute drill to win a huge game) and I also wanna judge for myself his whole persona in that situation. Last week was a bit of a turning point in my eyes as he seems to slowed it down (especially on the scramble where instead of running he threw for the TD)...earlier in the year he would've ran and got tackled or thrown it away - but his feel is getting better. Something is beginning to click. We still see some ill advised passes but it's to be expected. If he uses Bellinger more over the middle (and also maybe Brightwell) we may see some very extended drives. I'm anxious to see Daniel in the big game. It will tell me a lot.

Matt,

Would you agree that Jones is an ascending player?  I mean to my eyes, Jones seems to have gotten better and better as the season progressed.   

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 05, 2023, 08:00:24 PMJan 5, 2023
Max Kellerman puts Daniel Jones in Tier 3️⃣ of NFL QBs 🤨 | KJM
Max Kellerman explains why he has been impressed with New York Giants QB Daniel Jones.
#ESPN #NFL

That would seem a little low if someone was unaware that Max's top 3 tiers are his top 6 QBS.  Onr in tier 1, 2 in tier 2, and 3 in tier 3.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 05, 2023, 07:24:00 PM@kingm56

If all you are looking for is a top-10 QB, it appears Daniel Jones is your man.   Considering DJ is in (along with all his teammates)  a first-year system.   PFF has the Giants ranked 18th in pass protection and 27th in receiving.  Yet despite these handicaps, DJ is currently.

QBR- 9

QB rating- 13

PFF- 14th (50% snaps)

On top of that, he has led his team to the playoffs. 

With all of that, I have a hard time not seeing how he won't be top 10 next season. (assuming the Giants add some talent)

You can also add

#6 in EPA
#1 in INT %

Considering the lack of "playmakers" he's had to work with.

Disclaimer
I put "playmakers" loosely here since Hodgins has been a breath of fresh air in this offense but did we really expect a practice squad player to come in here and be DJs safety blanket.

Hodgins is a crafty WR and knows how to create space.  However he is not that stud that is going to run sub 4.4 that will blow the top off any defense.

Quote from: Blue Fire on January 05, 2023, 04:58:48 PMResponses in asterisks. Try learning by opening your eyes first.

Please, can we just stop attacking each other? Some of us are trying here. Posts like this will not help this board become more civil

One thing is clear about Jones. He's a good quarterback. He's not even close to his potential given the roster and first season with new coach and coordinator. He's tough as nails, and teammates will go to war for that dude every week. And we saw Hurts go from a guy people were outright wondering about to a possible MVP when he got an elite veteran WR in a good system under Sirianni.

Quote from: Blue Fire on January 05, 2023, 09:19:52 PMOne thing is clear about Jones. He's a good quarterback. He's not even close to his potential given the roster and first season with new coach and coordinator. He's tough as nails, and teammates will go to war for that dude every week. And we saw Hurts go from a guy people were outright wondering about to a possible MVP when he got an elite veteran WR in a good system under Sirianni.

Maybe, maybe not, we will see. Hopefully if he stays, it happens.

Like someone else said, I forget who, but many here not "in favor" of DJ, ultimately want him to play well and be that guy for as long as he is wearing the royal blue jersey. We ultimately want the team to win regardless of who is on the roster. He is playing good, he has stepped up a bit lately and credit was given to him.

If he is resigned, the roster gets built and he takes another step, I am sure 95+% of anyone wanting a change, will happily and willingly eat crow. Seeing the Giants succeed is all that matters for all of us at the end of the day

Quote from: GMenRF on January 05, 2023, 08:59:52 PMYou can also add

#6 in EPA
#1 in INT %

Considering the lack of "playmakers" he's had to work with.

Disclaimer
I put "playmakers" loosely here since Hodgins has been a breath of fresh air in this offense but did we really expect a practice squad player to come in here and be DJs safety blanket.

Hodgins is a crafty WR and knows how to create space.  However he is not that stud that is going to run sub 4.4 that will blow the top off any defense.

I'm more impressed with Hodgins each week as he improves. He's a smart player with good vision and instincts, finding space and making catches. I don't think we've seen the best of him yet.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on January 05, 2023, 08:21:36 PMThat would seem a little low if someone was unaware that Max's top 3 tiers are his top 6 QBS.  Onr in tier 1, 2 in tier 2, and 3 in tier 3.

@AZGiantFan, it might be similar to the tiers I specified on page 55; interesting enough, tier 3 is exactly where I have Jones.  My top two tiers are limited to just 8 QBs...

Quote from: GMenRF on January 05, 2023, 08:59:52 PMYou can also add

#6 in EPA
#1 in INT %

Considering the lack of "playmakers" he's had to work with.

Disclaimer
I put "playmakers" loosely here since Hodgins has been a breath of fresh air in this offense but did we really expect a practice squad player to come in here and be DJs safety blanket.

Hodgins is a crafty WR and knows how to create space.  However he is not that stud that is going to run sub 4.4 that will blow the top off any defense.

Yes, but you can also add #20 TD and #26 in YDS/ATT.  I actually like/prefer @MightyGiants calculous for evaluating QBs, which includes a combination of QBR, Ratings and PFF score.

Quote from: kingm56 on January 05, 2023, 09:39:09 PM@AZGiantFan, it might be similar to the tiers I specified on page 55; interesting enough, tier 3 is exactly where I have Jones.  My top two tiers are limited to just 8 QBs...

It is nothing like your tiers.  In his tiers the top 2 tiers have 3 QBs combined.  Which was my point, his tier 3 contains the 4-6th ranked QBs whereas your tier 3 contains the 9-19 ranked QBs.  So the respective tiering is not even close

I'm not saying one is better than another, just clarifying the vastly different meanings that "tier 3" has in these 2 instances.  For me, his has DJ ranked too high, while yours has him ranked too low.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on January 05, 2023, 08:21:36 PMThat would seem a little low if someone was unaware that Max's top 3 tiers are his top 6 QBS.  Onr in tier 1, 2 in tier 2, and 3 in tier 3.

I always appreciate people who take the time to watch the video.   I was surprised.  I started watching the video, I was expecting that it would be a negative commentary on Jones.  I was surprised to see he was arguing that Jones is the 6th best (or in a 3-way tie for the 4th best).

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 05, 2023, 08:00:24 PM

Jan 5, 2023
Max Kellerman puts Daniel Jones in Tier 3️⃣ of NFL QBs 🤨 | KJM
Max Kellerman explains why he has been impressed with New York Giants QB Daniel Jones.
#ESPN #NFL

I like this means of evaluation because it heavily weighs the most recent play and it gets re-evaluated each week. I wouldn't argue much about his choices either because it does take into consideration the entire season.