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Quote from: Blue Fire on January 12, 2023, 09:03:00 AMDo the cap math... we can keep those guys and still have money to sign other players.

You state this as fact when the truth is you have no idea what people will command in salary.

Quote from: Trench on January 12, 2023, 02:51:42 PMYou state this as fact when the truth is you have no idea what people will command in salary.

Not to mention we do not know what and/or how many players JS/Dabs plan to try to resign from our in house free agents, and any who may be eligible for extensions.

Without getting into the debate about whether a #1 WR will make a huge impact, as everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I do feel that the more important issue going forward for this team, is to infuse potential pro bowl talent either from the draft or FA into the interior of the offensive line.

Meaning the Center, Left Guard and Right Guard positions.

I believe that will have more of an offensive impact, especially for DJ and Barkley moving forward, than adding a #1 WR at this point.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on January 12, 2023, 07:47:41 PMWithout getting into the debate about whether a #1 WR will make a huge impact, as everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I do feel that the more important issue going forward for this team, is to infuse potential pro bowl talent either from the draft or FA into the interior of the offensive line.

Meaning the Center, Left Guard and Right Guard positions.

I believe that will have more of an offensive impact, especially for DJ and Barkley moving forward, than adding a #1 WR at this point.

Center absolutely but I believe one of Brederson or EZ will be LG of the future as they are both cheap and under contract. That and maybe we draft a late round prospect to shadow Glow but he'll be RG next year. If we have better center play it'll help Glow as he was in between Feliciano and a rookie so he didn't necessarily have it easy.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on January 12, 2023, 07:47:41 PMWithout getting into the debate about whether a #1 WR will make a huge impact, as everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I do feel that the more important issue going forward for this team, is to infuse potential pro bowl talent either from the draft or FA into the interior of the offensive line.

Meaning the Center, Left Guard and Right Guard positions.

I believe that will have more of an offensive impact, especially for DJ and Barkley moving forward, than adding a #1 WR at this point.

Ezeudu was a fairly high third round pick. And round 3 is usually a sweet spot for IOL. I dont think they give up adding talent to the position but hopefully Bredeson gets to play one of those spots. Hes been borderline very good in the midst of a lot of sub par play this year from the interior spots. Gates if he is truly back to 100% is a much better option at Center than Feliciano.

Interesting article about how the NFL people seem to think Jones' price tag just keeps rising


https://www.bigblueview.com/2023/1/13/23552633/ny-giants-daniel-jones-price-tag-continues-to-skyrocket-free-agency-rumors


Most are saying Jones' annual price will be in the $32 million to $36 million range (up from the low 20s a month ago)

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 13, 2023, 08:40:41 AMInteresting article about how the NFL people seem to think Jones' price tag just keeps rising


https://www.bigblueview.com/2023/1/13/23552633/ny-giants-daniel-jones-price-tag-continues-to-skyrocket-free-agency-rumors


Most are saying Jones' annual price will be in the $32 million to $36 million range (up from the low 20s a month ago)

They may end up needing to franchise him in order to keep him, if that's what they want to do.  I doubt his agent will go for the modest 2 year deal some have bandied about, when there is every likelihood that someone is going to be willing to go 35-40 million for 4 years.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on January 13, 2023, 09:15:27 AMThey may end up needing to franchise him in order to keep him, if that's what they want to do.  I doubt his agent will go for the modest 2 year deal some have bandied about, when there is every likelihood that someone is going to be willing to go 35-40 million for 4 years.

It's funny, at the time, deciding on extending the 5th year option to DJ was a gamble either way.   Schoen opted not to extend, and unfortunately for the Giants, it appears that JS guessed wrong.   That low 20s 5th-year option is looking awful attractive right now.   Of course, in fairness, it wasn't like anyone was saying that Schoen was making a mistake at the time of the decision.  Joe seemed to have made the best choice based on the information that was available at the time. 

Quote from: sxdxca38 on January 12, 2023, 07:47:41 PMWithout getting into the debate about whether a #1 WR will make a huge impact, as everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I do feel that the more important issue going forward for this team, is to infuse potential pro bowl talent either from the draft or FA into the interior of the offensive line.

Meaning the Center, Left Guard and Right Guard positions.

I believe that will have more of an offensive impact, especially for DJ and Barkley moving forward, than adding a #1 WR at this point.

I'm not so sure you need pro bowl talent at those positions just players who are good enough and have chemistry with the rest of the group.  Always go back to the 08-10 lines where the only true elite player on those lines was Snee.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 13, 2023, 08:40:41 AMInteresting article about how the NFL people seem to think Jones' price tag just keeps rising


https://www.bigblueview.com/2023/1/13/23552633/ny-giants-daniel-jones-price-tag-continues-to-skyrocket-free-agency-rumors


Most are saying Jones' annual price will be in the $32 million to $36 million range (up from the low 20s a month ago)

I wouldn't go near those numbers for Jones based upon who and what I believe he is but I've accepted that it's likely to be in that range.  I am just hoping it's not a deal that goes beyond 3 years.

Quote from: Rambo89 on January 13, 2023, 09:24:19 AMI'm not so sure you need pro bowl talent at those positions just players who are good enough and have chemistry with the rest of the group.  Always go back to the 08-10 lines where the only true elite player on those lines was Snee.

I wouldn't go near those numbers for Jones based upon who and what I believe he is but I've accepted that it's likely to be in that range.  I am just hoping it's not a deal that goes beyond 3 years.

I think the Giants will go with a 4-year deal that is structured in a way that will allow the team to walk away after 2 years without a major cap hit.   Unfortunately, for @Blue Fire (who wants some big outside FA signings this offseason) to structure such a deal means that the contract will not be backloaded, which means bigger cap hits earlier.

Quote from: Rambo89 on January 13, 2023, 09:24:19 AMI'm not so sure you need pro bowl talent at those positions just players who are good enough and have chemistry with the rest of the group.  Always go back to the 08-10 lines where the only true elite player on those lines was Snee.

I wouldn't go near those numbers for Jones based upon who and what I believe he is but I've accepted that it's likely to be in that range.  I am just hoping it's not a deal that goes beyond 3 years.

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I agree,and I'm not trying to be critical here but I did say "infuse potential pro bowl talent", so players that could "potentially" be pro bowlers not necessarily that they are.

Okay I'm off to work carry on

Quote from: AZGiantFan on January 13, 2023, 09:15:27 AMThey may end up needing to franchise him in order to keep him, if that's what they want to do.  I doubt his agent will go for the modest 2 year deal some have bandied about, when there is every likelihood that someone is going to be willing to go 35-40 million for 4 years.

If he looks terrible in Minny that will throw some ice water on this.

He wins a playoff game or more and yea this can jump and the Giants will have a hard time explaining how they just walked away from it then

I will expand on how I envision DJ's contract. 

1) Contracts are about the total dollar amount and the guaranteed money

2) I would expect there to be a smaller signing bonus but guaranteed salary for the first two seasons  (salary guarantees count 100% in the year they are paid

3) I would expect a roster bonus in year 3 and years 3 and 4 not having a guaranteed salary

So if the team walked away after year 2, there would be a cap hit from the pro-rated signing bonus, but it would be offset by his salary and not paying the roster bonus so that the hit would be manageable.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 13, 2023, 09:58:20 AMI will expand on how I envision DJ's contract. 

1) Contracts are about the total dollar amount and the guaranteed money

2) I would expect there to be a smaller signing bonus but guaranteed salary for the first two seasons  (salary guarantees count 100% in the year they are paid

3) I would expect a roster bonus in year 3 and years 3 and 4 not having a guaranteed salary

So if the team walked away after year 2, there would be a cap hit from the pro-rated signing bonus, but it would be offset by his salary and not paying the roster bonus so that the hit would be manageable.

I agree with your premise even though I'm hoping it's a shorter deal. Something like 3yr 100 million with 50 million guaranteed and only a 5 million signing bonus. The basic structure of the Carr deal where we can get out at any time and Jones can save face by saying each years earnings would be at the franchise tag at 33 million.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 13, 2023, 09:58:20 AMI will expand on how I envision DJ's contract. 

1) Contracts are about the total dollar amount and the guaranteed money

2) I would expect there to be a smaller signing bonus but guaranteed salary for the first two seasons  (salary guarantees count 100% in the year they are paid

3) I would expect a roster bonus in year 3 and years 3 and 4 not having a guaranteed salary

So if the team walked away after year 2, there would be a cap hit from the pro-rated signing bonus, but it would be offset by his salary and not paying the roster bonus so that the hit would be manageable.

Well thought out, Rich.  As you know, I've been advocating for the franchise tag for a month now.  My rationale is the Giants are going to have substantial cap space next season; so, they can absorb the cap hit.  Plus, a $31M cap hit might be close to traditional contract cost.   I might be  wrong, but I don't believe our Giants have a desire to sign DJ to more than 3 years; the rub is I don't think DJ will accept a contract for less than 5 years. A Franchise tag evades both land mines, while simultaneously allowing
the Giants to see if he can duplicate this season both in health and performance.  Thoughts?