Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: kingm56 on January 13, 2023, 03:06:33 PMWell thought out, Rich.  As you know, I've been advocating for the franchise tag for a month now.  My rationale is the Giants are going to have substantial cap space next season; so, they can absorb the cap hit.  Plus, a $31M cap hit might be close to traditional contract cost.   I might be  wrong, but I don't believe our Giants have a desire to sign DJ to more than 3 years; the rub is I don't think DJ will accept a contract for less than 5 years. A Franchise tag evades both land mines, while simultaneously allowing
the Giants to see if he can duplicate this season both in health and performance.  Thoughts? 

Matt,

I think QB is a unique position in some ways.  While I appreciate that it's been done this way, I am not a big fan of keeping a QB on a year-to-year basis.   One prove-it year is reasonable, but after that, you need to crap or get off the pot (as they say).  So either you commit to at least 3 more years (4 is more likely) or move on from the guy. 

If you tag Jones, I think you are sort of hamstringing him a bit in terms of leadership.  On top of that, you are sort of leaving your team in a state of flux.   Personally, I would prefer to see the Giants let Jones walk and start their replacement efforts than keep him around on another 1-year deal.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 13, 2023, 03:20:12 PMMatt,

I think QB is a unique position in some ways.  While I appreciate that it's been done this way, I am not a big fan of keeping a QB on a year-to-year basis.   One prove-it year is reasonable, but after that, you need to crap or get off the pot (as they say).  So either you commit to at least 3 more years (4 is more likely) or move on from the guy. 

If you tag Jones, I think you are sort of hamstringing him a bit in terms of leadership.  On top of that, you are sort of leaving your team in a state of flux.   Personally, I would prefer to see the Giants let Jones walk and start their replacement efforts than keep him around on another 1-year deal.

Rich,

Good perspective on the negative byproduct of a franchise tag; indeed, if leadership isn't truly committed, neither will they players DJ seeks to lead.  Still, I'd advocate for the franchise tag, vice 4+/$30M plus year deal. 

I wouldn't be opposed to the franchise tag if it came down to that or a long term deal that paid Jones $30-$35 million a season.  It would give Jones another season to prove himself.

If DJ can replicate this season, with an increase in TDs, on a tag, I would be more in favor of bringing him back.

Guys,

Who knows, maybe DJ will play under the tag next year.   For me, I think you have to consider the following:

Last offseason, the team told DJ no security of the 5th year option, and that he would have to prove himself.

DJ starts to prove himself.

At the bye, JS could have likely locked DJ in on a 3-year deal in the 20s; JS passed on negotiations and wanted DJ to continue to prove himself.

DJ proved himself and got his team into the playoffs.

Barring some sort of epic meltdown on Sunday, it seems time to pay the piper.

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Just Win Baby.

If he does then he will be justly rewarded with both money and prestige

Quote from: Trench on January 13, 2023, 10:02:27 PMJust Win Baby.

If he does then he will be justly rewarded with both money and prestige

After 63 pages of speculation about DJ, someone finally got the right answer.

Bill

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 13, 2023, 05:33:06 PMGuys,

Who knows, maybe DJ will play under the tag next year.   For me, I think you have to consider the following:

Last offseason, the team told DJ no security of the 5th year option, and that he would have to prove himself.

DJ starts to prove himself.

At the bye, JS could have likely locked DJ in on a 3-year deal in the 20s; JS passed on negotiations and wanted DJ to continue to prove himself.

DJ proved himself and got his team into the playoffs.

Barring some sort of epic meltdown on Sunday, it seems time to pay the piper.

To be fair Rich I don't think how Jones plays on Sunday should impact how the Giants view him.  It's not as if he's had multiple playoff games where he's played poorly and needs a great performance to justify himself.  Eli's first playoff game (though it was in just his 2nd not 4th season) was a disaster.

I have been of the belief that you look at Jones's entire NFL career and based off your decision on that rather than a few good or bad games.

Quote from: Rambo89 on January 14, 2023, 08:29:07 AMTo be fair Rich I don't think how Jones plays on Sunday should impact how the Giants view him.  It's not as if he's had multiple playoff games where he's played poorly and needs a great performance to justify himself.  Eli's first playoff game (though it was in just his 2nd not 4th season) was a disaster.

I have been of the belief that you look at Jones's entire NFL career and based off your decision on that rather than a few good or bad games.

I think the decision on Jones is done and dusted and only a career threatening injury tomorrow would potentially change it.

I do think though that the terms of the deal could change based on what happens tomorrow as well as beyond, should they win tomorrow. I mean if he has an absolutely brutal game tomorrow and they lose 10-6, there's surely a difference between that and if they make it to the NFC championship game with two wins where he played well and then he plays well in the loss in the championship game. He'll get paid more if the latter happen for sure.

Quote from: Rambo89 on January 14, 2023, 08:29:07 AMTo be fair Rich I don't think how Jones plays on Sunday should impact how the Giants view him.  It's not as if he's had multiple playoff games where he's played poorly and needs a great performance to justify himself.  Eli's first playoff game (though it was in just his 2nd not 4th season) was a disaster.

I have been of the belief that you look at Jones's entire NFL career and based off your decision on that rather than a few good or bad games.

How do you look at a quarterback's entire career?   Take, for example, Josh Allen.  His first two years were very ordinary and his next two were elite.  How did you factor in those first two seasons when you evaluated Allen after his 4th season?

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 14, 2023, 09:50:22 AMHow do you look at a quarterback's entire career?   Take, for example, Josh Allen.  His first two years were very ordinary and his next two were elite.  How did you factor in those first two seasons when you evaluated Allen after his 4th season?

Josh Allen was treated how Jones was treated at the beginning of this season. He was coddled and not allowed to run the offense wide open. Sure they came out swinging in Jacksonville and then in Seattle but for the most part at the beginning of the season I truly believe they had Jones on a pitch count. No way he has 12 games with 27-31 throws if he's not on a pitch count. Daboll did the same with Allen his first two years, taught him to win within the system to build his confidence until they got to a point they were winning because of Allen not just with him if that makes sense.

Just my opinion though

If this is what Daniel Jones is moving forward. I will gladly change my opinion. Let's get this win first!!!!

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He played the best game of his career by far today