Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Trench on January 21, 2023, 09:59:18 PMAs good as he's looked for 3 games he is choking horribly tonight. The game is sped up again, locking on receivers and not making good decisions when to run. Looks scared. Very scared. 

It's gonna be an interesting contract negotiation

Expect him to be back but what he gets will be interesting just hope it's not massive and for the long term

Quote from: Rambo89 on January 21, 2023, 11:45:43 PMExpect him to be back but what he gets will be interesting just hope it's not massive and for the long term

I definitely want him back. The man deserves it after the way he played in the NFL. And he's a great person.

But I want him to be team first and not hold the organization hostage because he needs pieces. And that means he need to share the wealth. I think that is his nature anyhow. The guy won me over. He melted tonight but that's ok. He deserves the chance for sure

The nature of this loss will make it harder for the Giants to get carried away in a state of euphoria and really make it rain dollars on him in an excessive way. Same with Barkley. I actually don't know if Barkley will be back. Appreciate this is a Jones thread though so I won't go into that here. Jones will be back, but last night probably helped control the cost. Jones' regular season numbers will matter again now because the story that he caught fire late in the season and in the playoffs and showed the QB he will be in the future kind of no longer holds water after last night.

I'm not pinning last night on Jones by any means, because everyone on the team played like crap, but as the team leader and a potential face of the franchise, he looked out of sorts out and even a bit cowed out there, and it affected his play. It was a very rough night for him in the biggest game of his life. That's going to make it hard for the Giants to go crazy with his cost. People will certainly remember all the positives and improvement this year, but they will also remember this game all offseason.

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All in on getting Jones back - but it must be at the right cost. If he wants to break the bank then he can be sent packing. I like what I've seen at the end of the season and also a few early plays last night but after he got hit it all changed and he played apprehensive.

I saw a QB lock on receivers again and not step up into the pocket. These were things he overcame late in the season. I think last night was too big for him. He didn't look as verbal in the huddle either. He for some reason didn't really try to run much either.

I hope it becomes a positive learning experience.

I seriously doubt yesterday's game will have any impact on the contract that Jones will be getting with the Giants.  The Giants were collectively overwhelmed last night, and there are zero reasons to place the loss on Jones.

The "well, we can have him back if the price is right" train has long left the station.  The Giants will be retaining Jones, and it will be at least a 4-year contract, and I think the average per will be $35 million or greater.  The only thing I could possibly see (for those who still are not sold on Jones) is that the Giants might structure the contract in a way that the team could bail after a couple of seasons.   Although, I think after the Vikings game, even that possibility is less likely.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 22, 2023, 08:58:39 AMI seriously doubt yesterday's game will have any impact on the contract that Jones will be getting with the Giants.  The Giants were collectively overwhelmed last night, and there are zero reasons to place the loss on Jones.

The "well, we can have him back if the price is right" train has long left the station.  The Giants will be retaining Jones, and it will be at least a 4-year contract, and I think the average per will be $35 million or greater.  The only thing I could possibly see (for those who still are not sold on Jones) is that the Giants might structure the contract in a way that the team could bail after a couple of seasons.   Although, I think after the Vikings game, even that possibility is less likely.

Time will tell. I anticipate he lost millions with that performance last night. He did not play well at all and his decisions reverted back to yesteryear. The reason I believe he lost millions is the same reason I would've said he "gained" millions had he played well and won the game.

I wouldn't pay him anything more than a 4 year deal at 25-27 million per. If he wants more than that I'll take my chances in the draft or Tyrod for a year.

Daniel Jones Discusses Giants Contract, Future After Loss to Jalen Hurts, Eagles

SCOTT POLACEK
JANUARY 22, 2023

There is a chance Saturday's 38-7 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles was the final game of Daniel Jones' time with the New York Giants.

"Like I said, we will cross that bridge when we get there. I really enjoyed playing here," Jones told reporters. "I appreciate all of those guys in the locker room. It is a special group of guys and I have really enjoyed being a part of it."

New York declined the fifth-year option in his rookie contract before the start of the 2022 campaign.

"We will figure out where that goes, but I have nothing but love and respect for this organization and the group of guys in the locker room," he said.

Head coach Brian Daboll told reporters the time will come to discuss Jones' future.

"All these conversations, we're gonna have those," he said. "We've got a long offseason, and there's a time and a place to have those conversations. Tonight's not it."

Daboll also didn't have much positive to say about the quarterback or the rest of the team after the blowout loss to the Eagles.

"Eh, he competed," the coach said of the quarterback, who went 15-of-27 for 135 yards, zero touchdowns and one interception. "Look, we all didn't do a good enough job—that starts with me. Daniel's a competitor. (But) they controlled the game the entire game."

Jones isn't the only notable player and team captain in New York who is hitting free agency after the loss.

Running back Saquon Barkley told reporters he "would love to be a Giant for life" after a bounceback campaign that saw him tally 1,312 yards and 10 touchdowns on the ground to go with 338 receiving yards.

Both Jones and Barkley were integral pieces to the Giants' turnaround under first-year head coach Daboll.

New York entered the season without many expectations after five consecutive losing campaigns. All it did was finish 9-7-1 and defeat the Minnesota Vikings in the Wild Card Round for its first postseason win since it won the Super Bowl during the 2011 season.

Jones in particular was facing plenty of pressure after failing to live up to expectations in his first three seasons after the NFC East team selected him with the No. 6 overall pick of the 2019 NFL draft.

He flashed his potential as a rookie by completing 61.9 percent of his passes for 3,027 yards, 24 touchdowns and 12 interceptions, but he threw just 11 touchdowns to 10 picks in his second year and 10 touchdowns to seven interceptions in his third.

New York decided not to pick up the fifth-year extension on his contract, leaving his future with the team and as a starter very much in doubt.

Jones responded by completing 67.2 percent of his passes for 3,205 yards, 15 touchdowns and five interceptions while adding 708 yards and seven scores on the ground. He expanded his game as more of a dual-threat this season, which also helped open up rushing lanes for Barkley as defenses had to account for both as runners.

It remains to be seen whether Jones, 25, will return to the team that drafted him, but he sure showed enough in his fourth season to merit plenty of consideration after an uneven start to his career.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10062572

What I hear is maybe someone who might have had enough of the Giants organization and what he had to go through in NYC. Could that be?

Speaking a bit in the past tense. Interesting.

If he pushes the envelope too far he may regret it.

I am not sure what Jones said that was objectionable.  I mean the Giants didn't exactly treat him well, and the same can be said of a portion of the fanbase


On what the future looks like and how much does he want to remain a New York Giant:

Jones: "I think we will get into that down the road. At this point, this is still very fresh. This season. This loss. It will take some time to regroup and think through that going forward."

On what the future of this team looks like after what they accomplished this year:

Jones: "I think the future of the team is bright. We have a lot of young core guys that made a lot of plays and stepped up and have been huge all year. There is certainly a bright future here."

On what he thinks he proved this year:

Jones: "I don't know what I proved. I think I improved every week. I thought I was consistent throughout the year. There are certainly things I like to have back, especially tonight. I think there are some things I'll go back and look to clean up and improve and grow as a player going forward. I thought overall, I did do that. I grew and improved throughout the year and I will continue to try and do that."

On clarifying whether his offseason goal is to stay with the New York Giants:

Jones: "Like I said, we will cross that bridge when we get there. I really enjoyed playing here. I appreciate all of those guys in the locker room. It is a special group of guys and I have really enjoyed being a part of it. We will figure out where that goes, but I have nothing but love and respect for this organization and the group of guys in the locker room."

I'm done debating Jones, idc who is right or wrong at this point. We can all claim we have the facts and knowledge, I can care less anymore we exhausted the dialogue.

We will see very soon what happens. In Schoen and Dabs I trust.

Regardless, better days are on the horizon

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 22, 2023, 10:38:05 AMI am not sure what Jones said that was objectionable.  I mean the Giants didn't exactly treat him well, and the same can be said of a portion of the fanbase


On what the future looks like and how much does he want to remain a New York Giant:

Jones: "I think we will get into that down the road. At this point, this is still very fresh. This season. This loss. It will take some time to regroup and think through that going forward."

On what the future of this team looks like after what they accomplished this year:

Jones: "I think the future of the team is bright. We have a lot of young core guys that made a lot of plays and stepped up and have been huge all year. There is certainly a bright future here."

On what he thinks he proved this year:

Jones: "I don't know what I proved. I think I improved every week. I thought I was consistent throughout the year. There are certainly things I like to have back, especially tonight. I think there are some things I'll go back and look to clean up and improve and grow as a player going forward. I thought overall, I did do that. I grew and improved throughout the year and I will continue to try and do that."

On clarifying whether his offseason goal is to stay with the New York Giants:

Jones: "Like I said, we will cross that bridge when we get there. I really enjoyed playing here. I appreciate all of those guys in the locker room. It is a special group of guys and I have really enjoyed being a part of it. We will figure out where that goes, but I have nothing but love and respect for this organization and the group of guys in the locker room."

Its not so much that he said one thing or another but he was very neutral and treated it like a business decision whereas Barkley did a 180 and went with his heart and said how much he wants to be a giant for life. So when you hear both back to back one gives you the vibe they want to be back no matter what and the other doesn't care if they are back. Not saying it's right but I think most ppl had hoped the Qb had saquans response but in reality he owes them nothing and hopefully he tests the free agent market and gets as much as he can for himself.

I never thought I would say this but I think the Giants best bet is to franchise Daniel Jones ride out the 2023 season and take it from there.  I would not sign him to an extension.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 22, 2023, 11:01:23 AMIts not so much that he said one thing or another but he was very neutral and treated it like a business decision whereas Barkley did a 180 and went with his heart and said how much he wants to be a giant for life. So when you hear both back to back one gives you the vibe they want to be back no matter what and the other doesn't care if they are back. Not saying it's right but I think most ppl had hoped the Qb had saquans response but in reality he owes them nothing and hopefully he tests the free agent market and gets as much as he can for himself.

I suspect the comments are a bit tied to the position each man finds himself in.  If I were the agent of either of these young men I would have advised them to say what they did.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 22, 2023, 12:10:13 PMI suspect the comments are a bit tied to the position each man finds himself in.  If I were the agent of either of these young men I would have advised them to say what they did.

I think that it would have come down a little better had he not just put up his worst performance of the year.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 22, 2023, 12:17:17 PMI think that it would have come down a little better had he not just put up his worst performance of the year.

As I heard on the Nick and Chris podcast, it was a collective faceplant.  No player played well in that game.